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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 2 months ago (17 children)

The risk of your movement going violent is that it deters sympathists, and it makes the targets of your violence sympathetic.

If you don't care because you already have strong enough public support then load the cannons. Send out your suicide bombers.

But then your movement will be regarded as one that uses force. Some people will see it as justified. Some won't. But it also weakens the effect when the police are seen busting the heads of your protestors; some will think state force against your protestors is just that wouldn't if your group was non-violent.

This is why Martin Luther King chose a strict code of nonviolence, footage of police dogs attacking the protestors made sympathists of bystanders and activists of sympathists.

Malcom X on the other hand believed white supremacist sentiment in the US was more pervasive than King felt, and the only choice was to defend their rights by force, because the white power factions would not recognize any less.

And this is true: they do not. It's less of a problem when outright bigotry is not acceptable within the Overton window, but it's definitely a problem when the supremacists have a strong following in the community; though usually they only attack when they outnumber you. Hence FBI under J. Edgar Hoover killed King (likely) and also the leaders of the Black Panthers.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 1 points 2 months ago (15 children)

"Murder is only bad because other people think it's icky" --you

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (4 children)

Unironically, though. When you're killing "The Terrorists" or "The Drug Dealers" or "The Evil Foreigners" or whatever, murder is incredibly cool and good.

Slap a "Generic Bad Guy" label on a human and you're free to go full Rambo, because killing Bad Guys is awesome. We love it. Especially when the Bad Guy doesn't look like us.

The folks screaming the loudest about a guy in a North Face fleece getting got are the same ones who couldn't be picked out of a lineup with Brian Thompson's pre-ventilated flesh suit. The folks clapping the loudest over bombs dropped on the perfidious cartels or the insidious Hezbolmas or the vile Asian Menace Of the East also have interchangeable LinkedIn profiles with the ex-CEO of UHC.

It's Identity Politics all the way down.

[–] AVincentInSpace@pawb.social -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Which is precisely why vigilante justice is so dangerous. Do I need to be worried because I said something that some asshat with a gun who was having a really bad day misinterpreted as transphobic, or in case I happen to look like somebody who raped somebody else's sister?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 2 months ago

Do I need to be worried because I said something that some asshat with a gun who was having a really bad day misinterpreted as transphobic

I'd be more worried the police/surveillance state flags me as gender non-conforming and comes bursting into the restroom guns blazing.

We've got a Congresswoman who can no longer legally take a proper shit in the Capital Building. If she went postal, I could hardly blame her.

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