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I suggest you educate yourself before you wish ill on people you know nothing about. That comment is absolutely vile.
Poverty And Lack Of Health Insurance Keep Kids Unvaccinated Too : Shots - Health News https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2019/05/20/724468630/the-other-reasons-kids-arent-getting-vaccinations-poverty-and-health-care-access
Yeah, but that's what's fucked up a out all of this. It's a religious anti-Vax area that votes hard red. It's only spreading because it has some of the highest rates of unvacinnated kids, due to "religious" reasons. Even if it was a Healthcare access issue, they voted for the party currently trying to gut Medicaid.
While it's terribly sad for the children, this is consequences of the actions taken by the community.
I thought making blanket judgements about entire communities or groups of people is something we were supposed to think a little harder about.
And saying they deserve it is also something we are supposed to avoid.
Maybe by imposing my moral standard on others im not making the best argument, but i feel obligated to point it out.
So where does it say in the original article that these parents didn't get their kid vaccinated because they couldn't afford it? I must've missed that. See I'm pretty sure it was because they deliberately chose to leave their kid vulnerable to infectious disease, but if you have evidence proving the contrary (not just an article saying "some people don't because they can't afford it" -- something actually relating to these specific parents who lost a child, demonstrating that they couldn't afford it), please, do enlighten me.
It doesnt.
It also doesnt say that the kid was the child of anti vax minnonites. It doesnt say that they were poor, or the closest hospital was 45 miles away and they had no car. It doesnt say they were a recent immigrant. That seams like easy ammunition for the right. Would be an easy way to demonize people if it were.
It doesnt say any of that.
It could have been. But you dont know. And neither do i.
See how that works?
All of that is true.
However, it does say where this kid died. In West Texas. Where there are large swathes of undervaccinated children because of their anti-vax parents.
See how that works? Or is the power of inference beyond you?
Inference in this case is only reinforcing your preconceptions and bias. There is no hard evidence in this article.
Wait. Hold up... i get what you are saying.
We dont like "the others" They are "the enemy" "They arent like us." "They should burn for their beliefs and what they do to the rest of us. " "They hurt our communities." "They sicken our people."
Your inference is reductive and crass. It is the excuse of homophobes and racists and facists across the god damn world.
But you didnt realize that at all, did you?
You are so caught up in being right and villifying a community with no actual evidence, that you forgot that there are sick and dying children.
Infer my ass. Where is your empathy?
Oh, good, you're not stupid!
Ah, nope, nevermind, I had too much hope. See, the time for empathy is before someone starts killing innocent children with their ignorance, not after they've already started dying. It's okay, I forgive your stupidity. Better luck next time, sport, but I have better things to do than try to make random internet strangers less stupid, that's a you problem and I'm keeping it that way. Bye now! <3
I dont see any more straw man arguments in my arguement than you have in yours.
When there is evidence for why the kid wasnt vaccinated, i will amend my public opinion. Until the reporters or an agency can say definately that the kid died because the family was antivax, i will withold my judgement. Until then, they are a sad statistic in an embarrasing resurgence of a shitty disease.
Odds are very good that you're right, and im appalled that this is happening. but im not condemning them until i have actual evidence. And there is nothing wrong with withholding that judgement. And that is my point.
Yeah this whole thread is a bit gross.
I mean the parents are stupid, perhaps even criminally negligent, but they were probably acting with the best of intentions and genuinely thought they were protecting their child. It's incredibly sad.
Show me where in the article it says the kid that died was from an anti vax family. It doesnt.
My point is, poverty and lack of health facilities play a huge role in kids not getting vaccinated. Its outlined in the article i replied with.
This whole thread is jumping to conclusions, extrapolating with no evidence, and condemning the parents of dead kids
It sounds familiar. It sounds. Kinda like... antivaxers.
The article talks about the safety of vaccines... Reporters have to walk on eggshells to avoid pointing fingers and insult part of their audience.
my degree was in journalism. In a past life i was a reporter. Shit job. I have had lots of shit jobs since. I completely understand what you are saying.
But, if they cant explicitly say it, then you probably shouldnt extrapolate. When the evidence is clear, then by all means evicerate whoever you want.
Just because the propoganda is something you agree with, doesnt mean it isnt propoganda. You have been given a roadmap, but you do not have evidence.
I also agree with your point. I know they cant say it out loud. But i draw the line at wishing ill on the parents of dead kids.
And once again, my point is, you dont know if the kid was part of the minnonite community that refuses vaccines, or if it was the neighbor kid. You do not know if there were other factors that prevented the kid getting that vaccine. Poverty, lack of healthcare, or an immunocompromised child.
The problem with that line of thinking is that soon enough it wasn't the parents fault but the fact that their dog died 5 years ago and they never got around to getting the vaccine. Might there be mitigating facts? Sure, but at the end of the day, it's either the parent's fault or the state's fault for not making sure the kid got vaccinated.
And btw immunocompromised children are rare enough to be a rounding error.