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Murders of two female students prompt calls for a ‘cultural rebellion’ in Italy
(www.theguardian.com)
this post was submitted on 03 Apr 2025
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Extreme punitive measures from the police and carceral organs of the state will not solve misogynistic violence. I’m glad people are fired up about the problem but this is the wrong approach. It’s been tried 1000 times for other things and it never works.
But it will take the people who commit violence against women off the street. There are times when prison is not about rehabilitation its simply about removing danger.
Isolation is the one part of the carceral system that does have some effect, but I don’t think it’s the best way to achieve even that part.
I guess I don’t know the previous situation in Italy with regards to this issue. Was there a large number of people getting caught for these offenses and then released? Because killing someone and locking them up for 20 years is basically just as good from the perspective of separating victim and offender. It would be better to focus on consistent investigation and capture than on harsher penalties.
Or on programs that work to prevent violence in the first place. But we would only pursue those if we cared more about helping potential victims than about hurting offenders. That doesn’t seem to be the priority for most people.
They're not looking to prevent violence they're looking to isolate violence.
Prison has never and will never be a deterrence
This meme about prison being for "rehabilitation" needs to go the way of the dodo.
Life isn't all sunshine and rainbows, kids. Sometimes the only way to stop somebody from doing something bad is to threaten them with, gasp, a punishment.
Sad this needs to be spelled out for most of you, but it really puts into perspective the kind of person that frequents these forums.
I'm just glad most of you don't have a greater impact on the world.
So murdering people hasn't been met with punishment in Italy before? That's news to me.
Of course it has. I seriously doubt that these murderers were calculating their prison sentence and telling themselves "Oh, if I only get 15 years in prison, that's not too bad. "
If the goal of prison isn't to turn criminals into better citizens, then why not put all prisoners in a hard labor camp?
That's slavery.
It is legal for prisoners to be enslaved - perhaps you missed that little gotcha in the amendment.
We weren't talking about what is legal.
I'm going to ignore you now. You people are insufferable.