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A new Innofact poll shows 55% of Germans support returning to nuclear power, a divisive issue influencing coalition talks between the CDU/CSU and SPD.

While 36% oppose the shift, support is strongest among men and in southern and eastern Germany.

About 22% favor restarting recently closed reactors; 32% support building new ones.

Despite nuclear support, 57% still back investment in renewables. The CDU/CSU is exploring feasibility, but the SPD and Greens remain firmly against reversing the nuclear phase-out, citing stability and past policy shifts.

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[–] ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 17 points 1 day ago (55 children)

There's no good reason to be against nuclear power. It's green, it's safe, it's incredibly efficient, the fuel is virtually infinite, and the waste can be processed in a million different ways to make it not dangerous.

Well yes there is a very good argument against nuclear and that is that it replaces solar energy.

solar energy might have been expensive in the past but now it's the cheapest form of energy in history. we needed an absence of nuclear in the past to have a motivation to develop green, safe, efficient energy. and solar is the best way to do that.

i also ask you to consider the future. solar energy gets cheaper the more is deployed of it, so it will get even cheaper in the future. we have seen enormous price drops for transistors (computers) in the past, and solar panels are semiconductors, just like transistors are semiconductors. who says that we wouldn't also see similar price drops for solar energy in the future? maybe solar panels will be cheap as paper in the future.

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 5 points 22 hours ago

There’s no good reason to be against nuclear power.

Ahh, you gotta keep in mind: useful idiots.

[–] yyprum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm not the kind to hate on nuclear power itself, but let's not assume it's perfect either. There are good reasons against nuclear power, its just not the usual reasons raised by people.

The cost and time effort needed for building one plant is one drawback.

The fact that you can't say "let's turn off the nuclear reactor now that we have enough renewables and later today we start it again when the sunlight is over". It's a terrible energy source to supply for extra demand needed without perfect planning.

Nowadays, nuclear is not so worth it in general, not because of fearmongering about the dangers (an old plant badly upkept is a danger, independent of what energy source you use, but specially for nuclear plants). Ideally a combination of different renewables would be best, with some energy storage to be used as backup, plus proper sharing of the resources between different places. There's always sun somewhere, there's always wind somewhere, ...

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 7 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

It's not perfect, but to forego nuclear energy while still burning fossil fuels is retarded.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Nobody is arguing for fossil fuels here.

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 4 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

So if our energy needs are not being met even while burning fossil fuels, why would you argue against nuclear energy which further reduces the supply of available energy?

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk -2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

Nuclear keeps us on the teet of fossils fuels for longer than switching to renewables. Nuclear takes too long to build. Renewables can come online incrementally displacing fossil fuels far sooner. It drops the rate of damage faster.

If we wait for nuclear plants that haven't even been green lot yet the accumulated damage will be massive.

[–] lumony@lemmings.world 4 points 17 hours ago

Yeah. You're just showing us that you lack a fundamental understanding of how the power grid works.

Nuclear keeps us on the teet of fossils fuels for longer than switching to renewables.

It doesn't, but I'd like to see you explain how.

Nuclear takes too long to build.

No it doesn't. We still need more energy sources.

Renewables can come online incrementally displacing fossil fuels far sooner.

Our energy needs are not being met right now. I can't stress this enough: you simply do not have even a basic level of understanding about how the power grid works.

It drops the rate of damage faster.

Yeah. You're clueless.

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[–] alvvayson@lemmy.dbzer0.com 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Even Japan is restarting their reactors

Solar and wind are great, but major industrialized nations will need some nuclear capacity.

It's going to happen sooner or later.

The question is just about how long we delay it, with extra emissions and economic depression in the mean time.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 1 points 20 hours ago

Japan doesn't have a huge amount of choice in energy generation. Off shore wind doesn't work as the water is too deep. On shore wind doesn't have the space or geography either. Solar works, but their weather isn't ideal. Geothermal...possibly being near fault lines but their not like Iceland with a small population to supply. I believe locations for hydro are limited too.

Nuclear gives them energy independence and fits.

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[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's more expensive than the alternatives, and comes with additional downsides. There is no good reason to be pro nuclear, unless you need a lot of power for a long time in a tight space. So a ship or a space station for example.

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[–] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It's incredibly expensive when all costs over the entire construction period, operating period, dismantling period and storage period for nuclear waste are taken into account.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

As for coal, it's even more expensive when it kills off the planet.

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[–] lumony@lemmings.world 1 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

How does the cost compare to the starting and operating a coal mine?

What about oil wells and refineries?

[–] Halcyon@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 21 hours ago

We've got other alternatives. I was not proposing to build coal mines.

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