MeanwhileOnGrad
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Meanwhile On Grad
Documenting hate speech, conspiracy theories, apologia/revisionism, and general tankie behaviour across the fediverse. Memes are welcome!
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I find most communities on lemmy.ml are fairly reasonable though. Lemmygrad or Hexbear on the other hand... Holy crap! I don't know what the hell bubble those folks live in, but the nonsense they will aggressively barf in your face and the outrageous revisionism is nothing short of astounding.
Those two instances are the only instances where I was told totally seriously that I should "read history" and realize I've been brainwashed about North Korea, and it's actually paradise on Earth. And then when I told them they might be slightly messed up in the head, I was promply banned from that community and 15 others I had never visited before preventively for being a dangerous reactionary 🙂
lemmy.ml is positively tame and civilized compared to those two cesspits.
That's intentional, they opt to censor like this to prevent their threads from getting crazy in order to avoid larger calls for defederation like what happened with Hex and Grad. But the mask has been falling lately as the Lemmy-verse grows and their instance becomes more and more irrelevant
Well, if I'm honest, I couldn't give the tiniest shit about whatever happens to them as the Lemmyverse grows, and I suppose being banned from most communities on those two instances is proof that my though processes are still sound 🙂
I'm just genuinely wondering where those people got brainwashed - or brainwashed themselves - to such an extent. It truly is fascinating to witness people who are so far off basic realities and common sense and plain don't seem to realize how nonsensical what they claim is. That's kind of why I keep reading their tripe. It never ceases to amaze me.
When capitalism has ruined most of the life we’ve lived thus far, one takes to a different understanding of history and intent when rereading it while under the yoke of massive social problems.
so do you just blame capitalism for stalin and mao and kim?
Capitalism is totally broken and is now hurting most of the world much more than it does any good at this point. And it probably needs to go and be replaced by something better. But that something better isn't the communist regimes of yesteryear (and today, in the case of the DPKR). That's fucking crazy. And those who think it's not fucking crazy need to read Solzhenitsyn.
The solution to the capitalist problem lies elsewhere. I freely admit I don't know what the solution is, but it sure isn't the fantasy rosy view of comrade Stalin and Dear Leader Kim peddled by the crazies on Lemmygrad and Hexbear.
Don't let extreme capitalist craziness push you into the arms of extreme communist craziness.
Tbh it's also false to connect those regimes to communism
I'm aware that Stalin's, Mao's or Kim's regimes aren't what Marx had in mind, and communism has nobler ends. But here's the thing: each time pure, fair and kind communism was tried on any society, it descended into dictatorship very quickly and without fail.
So it doesn't matter how noble the idea of communism is: it's simply incompatible with humanity, because human beings can't resist greed, the urge to grab power and hurt others. Therefore, let's not try it again becasue we all know how it's going to work out.
Communists get intervened by capitalists and fascists.
Dictatorships on the other hand don't descend, it's always their main purpose, and the use of leftist ideas is just empty marketing to gather support from the population