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Some Swiss companies are already using the Europe label. (lemmy.ca)
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[โ€“] experiencetheworld@feddit.org 10 points 6 days ago (6 children)

When Switzerland would join the EU and UK maybe aswell the EU would get stronger. Furthermore would it be a huge example for the world if Switzerland, the "neutral/independent" country would join the EU.

[โ€“] Skunk@jlai.lu 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Except that we wonโ€™t, not in several decades.

Besides population refusal (every thing country side votes no), thereโ€™s not even a start of a political will to do it. Being well integrated and friendly in the middle but not member seems to be enough for everyone.

And on the political side we still have old Swiss-German fucks pushing for non EU stuff. The best example is the F-35. France with the excellent Rafale 4.5 gave us access to their military airspace, their supersonic range that crosses the country towards the Atlantic, airbases, full integration into the FAF training, overall they would been best mate and neighbour. Hell, they would have even authorized some carrier action around the CDG after a while if Swiss pilots proved themselves capable.

But they chose the F-35 and just a few days ago they again said that F-35 is the better aircraft, that prices wonโ€™t be crazy and that we wonโ€™t get fucked by the US. Like seriously ๐Ÿคฆ๐Ÿป

The good thing is that we can always organize a vote to force their hand (which will probably happen) but it takes some time and effort. But even if we manage to make them switch side thereโ€™s a huge chance that France wonโ€™t be as friendly this time, with a good reason.

A vote for EU will end up the same tho, a majority of "oui" losing in front of a bigger majority of "nein".

[โ€“] experiencetheworld@feddit.org 4 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So your citizen are happy with the current state and due to political oppositions (to the EU) will Switzerland not join the EU anytime soon?

[โ€“] Skunk@jlai.lu 13 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Yes, citizens are happy like that, we are in Schengen + various commercial agreements and that seems to be enough.

They fear the EU obligations and want to stay independent.

Plus the population language division that is always the same, western French speaking Switzerland tends to vote green and yes to EU or whatever. Eastern German speaking votes the opposite. The Italian part usually votes like the French part but itโ€™s almost as they are inexistant and they remain hidden in their sunny corner to avoid being annoyed.

A very usual vote result looks like that:

(French part = Oui, Italian part = Si, German cities = Ja, German country side = Nein. If you zoom in you can find green spots in the ocean of red, those are often the cities like Zurich, Bern etc. The red spots in the green part are often rich peoples areas, like on the right side of Geneva where you have those multi million lakeside houses that votes very right to stay rich)

On the political side thereโ€™s not really a anti-EU atmosphere, more like a remain neutral one. As always the right wants no changes and the left is pushing for them. Politics doesnโ€™t have a huge power in Switzerland anyway, they work for us and not the other way around.

[โ€“] BrowseMan@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Politics also push the idea that Switzerland can keep having its cake (stay out of the EU) and eat it (enjoy best trade/energy/population movement). It has been working so far so why change it, right? If I remeber correctly the EU is Switzerland's #1 trading partner.

However, I fear the EU is starting (or will soon start to) to be fed with the Switzerland cherry picking in their relationship. With the world becoming more and more realpolitik Switzerland might realise she doesn't have that much leverage against a block of EU's size.

Well anyway as long as the EU doesn't put order in its own house, Swiss will always refuse joining until forced to. It's one of the few subject where both left and (extreme) right agrees on, even if for different reasons (protect salaries against dumping VS culture war bullshit "dictate from foreign judges" in general).

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