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Israel doesn't control western governments, it's just a very valuable tool of the US, for which they are ready to make a lot of concessions. Western governments in turn are broadly servile to the US. I'm not sure how you expect a small broadly hated state like Israel to control the whole west. Lobby and intelligence can get you far, but not that far.
AIPAC: We control Western governments. These are our guys on the inside. We are spending tonnes of cash to oust anyone who is anti Israel! Look at us owning all these politicians!
Enlightened Liberals: "no this is a strategic partnership"
Listen up. What Israel is currently doing is speedrunning the reputation of the entire Western world into the ground so they can commit a genocide in front of the world in plain sight.
You cannot in any way explain to me how this is a strategically sound plan nor offer any logical explanation except what the Israelis are screaming out loud themselves: Israel controls Western governments. Not the other way around.
They are coping, trying to project their own power when they see very clearly that they're on the brink. I don't remember AIPAC saying that outright in english, but I wouldn't exactly put it past those psychos either.
I'm neither enlightened nor a liberal, but this is broadly a strategic partnership (in defense of the empire). Liberals still believe that an apartheid ethnostate is a completely acceptable thing, and that they should just kill a little bit less children. When exactly did the US need to convinced to lay waste to the middle-east for their own profit? If Israel sounds like a perfect unsinkable aircraft carrier in the area, it's because that's exactly what it is, and the kind of things they have never shied away from.
I don't deny that they most likely have dirt on some politician, Israeli intelligence is on record trying to pull the grossest shameless stunts, and of course they try their hardest to impact policies abroad, they're not even trying to hide it. But saying "they control western government" as if the entire western world is a collection of Israeli puppet states is legitimately insane. The US military budget alone eclipses their whole GDP.
We can do that ourselves tyvm, Israel isn't responsible for Trump remarkable attempts at destroying the US economy, USD, and the entirety of their softpower. Israel has decided to completely overextend in a way where western governments, despite their ardent zionism, haven't been able to reign in antizionist sentiment. But do you think that Israelis mind controlled Trump into destroying their lifeline and tariffing their own fucking selves? Everyone knows that Israel is only held afloat by the uninterrupted stream of weaponry from the US, and that's a ~~sacrifice~~ profit the military-industrial complex is willing to make.
No I cannot, it's a fascist state eating itself, many such examples. They are desperate, and they're very clearly running straight into a wall. I'd like you, however, to explain to me how this is a strategically sound plan even IF you assume their total supposed control of western governments when they inevitably crash and burn, as they've been working overtime towards. It's not sound. They're not sound. It's a fascist ethnostate.
No, but they helped get him elected.
Not sure they did it on purpose, and it only affected the stupidest of Democrat voters, but any argument that the genocide in Palestine didn't impact our election is not being honest.
Sure, I mean people made the argument with Russia too for his first term. I still think it's absolutely insane to conclude that Russia controls western governments.
Of course, and I never made that argument. I can't give an educated estimate, but folks more knowledgeable than me on US sentiment and voting habits say that this one issue could have massively shifted the election. You could probably even made a case that the democrats would have been a better ally to Israel in the grand scheme of things.
Maybe not governments in general, but Trump and his party specifically, doesn't seem too insane.
I really don't see the need to try to see some dark unilateral control, when it's across the board the exact same thing we've identified for literal centuries: The shifting alliances of powers whose interests are aligned.
The sad irony of conspiracy theorists is that it's not paranoia (alone) that leads them into those rabbit holes, it's naivety. They think that there are dark forces that hijacked their otherwise fine institutions, but refuse to recognize that those institutions were never meant to serve them in the first place. Trump and his entourage aren't a cancer on a previously healthy organ, they are a healthy part of a parasite.
I'm not suggesting that America before Trump was a paragon of virtue. But our corrupt leaders and wealthy oligarchs made America powerful to serve their own ends.
Trump is not serving the ends of American oligarchs. He's serving the ends of Russian oligarchs.