Keep in mind there is some rather interesting research on attitudes towards the full scale invasion of Ukraine among russian-speaking individuals in the Baltic nations.

Russophobia is a made up concept. There is no irrational fear or hate involved. Taking a sober attitude is not irrational.

[+] mathemachristian@lemm.ee -17 points 2 months ago (9 children)

Because it targets every Russian and Belarusian citizen.

All concepts are made up, thats what makes them conceptual. Whether or not theres hate involved well.... I've seen the language used here

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 12 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (8 children)

So what that it targets every russian citizen? When you have a county where 85% support annexations and invasions of your neighbour, this is a reasonable approach.

With this topic as well there is some great research with preference falsification testing which is damning for the russians. So don't bring up the old canard about "they are all afraid!!!!"

That's a cop out on your part. Russophobia as parroted by russians is more of a propaganda polemic. When you have a society defined by genocidal imperialism, it is reasonable to take a sober attitude towards them.

[+] mathemachristian@lemm.ee -9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Okay so we went from "how do you know it targets random civilians?" to "So what if it targets random civilians?" well at least you're being honest about your disregard for them I suppose... Really feeling the sober attitude.

I would love to see that statistic where 85% of Russians in Lithuania support annexation or invasions of Lithuania, it's gonna be a wild read I'm sure

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

You can look up polling of russian language users in the Baltics regarding the full scale invasion of Ukraine. It is easy to find. Not a very good result for your argument.

Whether you poll russians in russia or russian in other countries, the results are damning. This also applies to other research methodologies (both quantitative and qualitative).

It's a fucking stupid attitude to actively enable those who wish you harm.

Btw, your not doing the russians any favour by spreading their victimhood narratives.

[–] mathemachristian@lemm.ee -5 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You can look up polling of russian language users in the Baltics regarding the full scale invasion of Ukraine. It is easy to find. Not a very good result for your argument.

But we're talking about Lithuania. That's the thing, before you cite a national security threat to strip away a lot of peoples freedom there should be a credible threat to the security of your nation. Making it based on someones passport is just ineffectual as well. Just a "well they attacked them so it stands to reason they'll get us next". Why arent kazakhstan, turkmenistan etc reacting the same way? They should be more afraid since Russia would have a much easier fight against them I'm sure.

And still how is allowing them to visit their home country only 4 times a year except for business trips and other odds and ends gonna help anything even if there were such a threat? There is no point to this law other than to target russians.

Btw, your not doing the russians any favour by spreading their victimhood narratives.

It's not just a "narrative" if there is a law that specifically targets russians!

[–] Skiluros@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

The chauvinistic attitudes of russian speakers in the Baltic nation toward the full scale invasion of Ukraine is very much reflective of their treasonous nature.

If you have even a modicum of exposure to russians (and you're arguing in good faith), you would know that reconquering the Baltic nations is something that is very much in line with their goal and attitudes.

Kazakhstan very much understands the nature of russians and they have built out bridges with China (that is de facto putting a veto on further russian expansion in central Asia), while also getting rid of the legacy russian genocidal imperialism.

Regarding, Turkmenistan, it might help for you to open a map of Central Asia.

You talk big about credible threats and so on; but who the fuck are you to define what is a credible threat for Lithuania? The Lithuanian government should prioritize the security and well being of their citizens.

Are you going to be joining EU battalions if the Baltic nations do get invaded by the russians? Of course not!

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