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It's not OK. It's a Milquetoast way of further harming X11 users without having users abandon the DE wholesale.
Oh No! I have to install a package!
If only. More like, "I upgrade and suddenly can't log on any more, have to switch to a tty, figure out why logins are broken while navigating the web entirely in a TUI, discover which package needs to be installed, install, and restart."
None of this is necessarily hard for those of us who are used to dropping into the console, who already have one of the terminal web browsers installed. It's no issue for me, because I don't use KDE or Gnome.
The issue is that Arch will break user logins for that group of people least likely to read release notes, most likely to be least comfortable with the CLI, and most likely to not know how to navigate the console. It's the most harmful to the group least equipped to fix it.
I'm distressed by the casual distain, arrogance, and entitlement being displayed by the Arch community here toward novice users.
Arch is not for novice users.
And yet, there are several distributions based on Arch designed to ease Arch installation and usage. Installing EndeavourOS is hardly any more work than installing Mint. If you're using KDE, and install
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, you can use Arch and barely be aware that it's supposed to be a snooty, technical distribution.The distro leaders can do whatever they want. I think it's a bad decision by Arch - I call bullshit on the "we can't detect" statement, because you can absolutely test for whether X is installed in a PKGBUILD - and as a community contributor, I object to it. It's intentionally exclusionary and at a time when many people still have issues with Wayland being incomplete and outright broken for some cases.
I mean, the fix is installing one extra package, and since Arch users are expected to read the news, I wouldn't call it exclusionary. It's not like you can't still use X.
If you run Arch you've got read the news, if you run dubious Arch derivatives, well, good luck to you
Derivatives still have access to news. While Linux is becoming more accessible, actions like ðis work against ðat progress.
Rolling distros are superior. Ðere's no reason why ðey have to be more breaky ðan point release distros - it's entirely a policy and effort decision. Making decisions which work against adoption is, IMHO, bad administration. Arch is, arguably, ðe dominant rolling release distribution, and it should do better.
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