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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 57 points 1 day ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (12 children)

So... in the actual book(s), the problem is a bit of both.

The 'science' goes wrong because... well, they do not have complete dinosaur genome sequences.

And they fill in the gaps with a lot of DNA from a certain kind of frog.

A frog, that is later discovered to change its sex, transform from female into male, in environments/situations that are not sufficiently male/female balanced.

The explanation as to why the dinosaurs will not be a problem is that they only make female ones, so the population will remain exactly as they engineer.

... this does not work, because some of the dinos transform their sex, and begin breeding, which they essentially entirely did not account for.

So... 'the science' absolutely fucked up there.

...

Also in the book(s)... Hammond is much, much more clearly an unscrupulous capitalist... think roughly somebody that would have their accounts managed by Patrick Bateman, or maybe like a modern techbro, but his tech isn't crypto or ai or hyperscaling whatever bs app... its genetic engineering.

(cough 23andMe cough)

The original movie makes him into... much more of a genuinely enthusiastic, but more innocently naive, and sympathetic character... he is much more straightforwardly a thinly veiled corpo asshole in the book.

And because of this, the book punishes him, where the movie basically does not.

In the book, near the end, as it looks like the surviving cast have escaped imminent danger, and is reasonably safe and secure, awaiting rescue...

... Hammond is very directly killed by his own hubris.

He decides he has some better idea about what to do, wanders off from the group, gets lost, and is torn to shreds by a pack of compies, compthagnasus, basically 10 or 20 or so of fairly small, maybe 1.5 foot ish tall tiny versions of velociraptors.

He makes a final, direct, hubristic act, and is literally torn to shreds by thousands of tiny cuts, but all at one time, the figurative recompense for his lifetime of shitty, reckless, self serving decisions.

Critchton was a damn good writer, RIP.

Anyway, the second movie, Lost World... is very, very loosely based on the second book, but it features a compy attack event as an inciting incident, the initial event...

...but they swap it to occuring to basically a completely innocent family who is vacationing on a nearby island, just a totally different and made up set of characters, where its now just some random assholeish wealthy corpo father who is being hubristic, and iirc, a little girl is seriously injured, but not killed...

Its much less hubristic of a bad decision from the father, as he legitimately had no idea this random island was infested with fucking dinosaurs.

Also, iirc, the Lost World movie just throws away these characters, this family, after this gets the plot rolling, I don't think they are ever on screen again.

Its not a well written intro.

...

So the books feature capitalism, capitalists, as another majorly bad thing that fucks up.

The idea as I see is that... these two things, when both unrestrained and pursued recklessly, well one of them would be bad enough on their own, but when you combine both of them, shit gets real bad, real fast, high likelihood of catastrophic co sequences.

Its the 'tech is not inherently good nor evil, it all depends on how a society uses it' line of thinking.

It just says hey, here's a worst case scenario for you to chew on, how seriously you should consider this.

Like maybe a modern version of this would be LLMs.

Theoretically, an LLM on its own, used reasonably, responsibly, can be a tool for arguably mostly good. You could theoretically power one of these things with wind, solar, geothermal, have a societal structure where its provided as a controlled and regulated public good, not a private for profit business.

But when you couple this with the ravenous nature of capitalism, well, a whole fuckton of shit starts cascading out of control into negative consequences... vital processes and info get fucked up by LLMs hallucinating shit and make heuristic decisions en masse that lead to say, millions of people being denied or charged out the ass for healthcare...

Major corporations massively downsize their work forces and replace them with 'good enough' (but not really, actually) LLMs... which then craters demand in a consumption based economy, so now we have a Great Depression 2.0...

And the widespread usage of these things to answer anyones questions and do everyone's home or coursework, means that now humans are net stupifying themselves, as they no longer need to learn how to do critical analysis, research and source verification, etc.

...

Its been a while since I've seen the original movie, fhe first sequel... and then yeah, never saw anything after that, because they just look immensely, increasingly stupid and nonsensical, not even having internal logic that is coherent or consistent... so I can't well comment on how the movie universe has evolved.

[–] 9point6@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Well shit, I didn't think the Jurassic park books would ever end up on my reading list but here we are

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Yeah, if you didn't know, the whole movie franchise is ultimately based on the book, Jurassic Park, by Michael Crichton, who I honestly feel does not get enough credit as a genuinely compelling sci-fi thriller style of author... all the way back in 1969 he wrote Andromeda Strain, he's written a lot of ... yeah, sort of gritty, dense, thriller sci-fi novels.

The original series of movies... well, the first one is a pretty good, pretty faithful adaptation if you're going for a wider, more family friendly audience... some characters are kind of merged together to keep the plot simpler to follow... its a reasonably faithful adaptation in terms of sticking to the exact contents of the novel, and of course, just a wildly succesful and beloved movie.

Crichton wrote Lost World, a sequel to his book... but the movie sequel Lost World... is basically an entire alternate timeline, a totally different story, only vaguely sharing some similarities with the book Lost World.

Then, every movie after that is just fan fiction, utterly diverged from the actual way the characters are portrayed in the books, plot is completely different, only really just keeping a few characters from the older movies around, but they're no longer anything like they are in the books, and of course you've got all the new characters just shoved into this completely divergent timeline... bleck.

I would strongly encourage you to read at least the first book.

Either every, or nearly every chapter begins with a sort of... disembodied, tangentially relevant thought from Malcolm, who is often relating whatever is roughly going to go on in that chapter to the actual mathematical principles and formulae of chaos theory.

The book functionally gives you an actual 'Intro to Chaos Theory 101' lesson as you read through it, with many of the chapters serving as an example, in at least some analagous way, of the concepts in these sort of disembodied, psuedo narration blurbs from Malcolm.

Its some of the best ludonarrative, or maybe... meta, self referential at another scale, consistency, and depth that I can remeber reading in something that is also paced so well that I again call it a 'thriller'.

[–] hakase@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago

They're very, very good. I reread them for probably the fourth time just last week.

[–] BossDj@piefed.social 6 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

There's an unexpected amount of philosophical rants and theory dropping throughout the book. Welcome, but unexpected for people who go in to read an action novel.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

Welcome to Fight Club.

Thought you were getting a mostly dumb, dude bro story about guys in an underground fighting ring?

Surprise!

Our trailers were intentionally deceptive, we had to trick you into consuming something more cerebral, that may actually cause you to have a complex thought.

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemmy.zip 7 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Just hopping in to recommend the books. They're seriously good and the movies don't do them justice at all

[–] Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world 1 points 18 hours ago

I'd say they do them justice to some degree no? I quite enjoyed the first movie, it changed some stuff from the book for sure but I feel like it captured the same feel for the most part and does the story justice. Admittedly, the lost world was a bit of a mess as they combined some stuff from different books and changed the ending for the worse I'd say but Ive seen much worse adaptations in the theatre.

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