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Hey, From what I heard, the budget needs to be approved by a 60% majority in the Senate. This means that the Democrats can currently veto a budget. If this is extended without end, could they functionnaly disolve the federal government and maybe start a new union of Democratic states? Do taxes continue to be perceived? What happens legally if the shutdown lasts until the midterms? Can states form another Union without leaving the current Union?

This is mostly a legal question, because the Democrats are never going to agree to such thing, and because the Republican would then start a civil war to stop it.

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[โ€“] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago (6 children)

The record, the GOP could, if they wanted to, have a simple-majority vote to change the rules for this particular vote, such that it would only require a simple majority to pass.

They don't want to do that, because this shut down gives trump extreme power to determine what is or isn't "essential". So, ICE, FBI, law enforcement, the Military will continue working/operating without pay. same with the fuckers building the ballroom. people who are not essential- like national parks, the government's cybersecurity guys, people that support wick or snap or HUD etc... the courts...

yeah. So. basically it's all just a giant cash and power grab. Nazis doing Nazis shit.

In any case, if somehow they manage to not ever get a bill past, yes, eventually the government collapses and shit gets real fucked real quick.

Thats more or less what the GOP want, though. which is why they made it incredibly objectionable and refused to negotiate with the Dems.

and yes, if the government gets funded again, you will still owe taxes.

[โ€“] Cassanderer@thelemmy.club 5 points 2 days ago

Repubs also know from experience the dems will fold on threats of scuttling the ship of state.

Just like increasing the borrowing limit in 2024 was it, or 23, and not defaulting. Biden said for months he would not negotiate, and then folded like a cheap suit when it came down to it. Not a one-off situation the Democrats always fold.

Dems will give in on terroristic threats. There is no improving anything until we get new opposition politicians that is all there is to it. If Hakeem and Chuck are still running the show you might as well not pay attention because it will just harm your mental well-being. Not a single challenge for any leadership positions what the fuck is wrong with this party?

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