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Here's Lemmy.world explaining why. Essentially, for having stances common to communists (opposing western hegemony is a big one they took issue with). Lemmy.world is run by your standard DNC-style liberals, they generally oppose Marxism and communism, and uphold the DNC as good. Some are also zionists.
Now, that's my perspective as a communist. I'm a Marxist-Leninist, my perspective is as someone who reads theory, does light org work, etc. I'm not a fan of the DNC, I support socialist states, etc. Others may give a different perspective, but it's also worth noting that there are entire drama communities dedicated to taking comments out of context, witch-hunting communists, etc and this is made even worse by defederation because it creates this "boogeyman" that .world can't actually see.
Hope that helps, honestly you can just scroll grad and hexbear yourself for a bit without making an account to see what's up.
Reading that thread, it's clearly not for "having stances". Very, very clearly it's about their intention to push anti-liberal propaganda and dismantle liberalism across the fediverse.
Yours is a clearly disingenuous reading, and I hope people here aren't just taking you at your word.
It's absolutely for having stances deemed unacceptable by the admin team. For the admin team, only liberal propaganda is allowable. Any left-critique of liberalism is deemed "extreme," and was pre-emptively silenced. The admins are trying to have their cake and eat it too, by saying that it's unacceptable to push viewpoints systemically while cutting out anyone that goes against their own viewpoints.
If you're really gonna say deliberately connecting to an instance with the stated goal of dismantling and inserting a communist ideology via a propaganda war is tantamount to "just having a stance" then it should be clear to everyone what a bad actor you are.
Imagine if I publicaly stated that the goal of my instance was to build a userbase, infiltrate .ml, dismantle communist ideology, and spread liberal propaganda. Are you really gonna pretend you'd leap to my defense when Dessalines obviously banned/defederated me?
Hell, he loves to abuse rule 2 to silence "Liberals" constantly. Yet you don't seem to have anything to say about that...
Hexbear did not state that their goals were to wage a "propaganda war." They know that as a leftist instance, their users were going to obviously have ideological disagreements with the liberalism on other instances, and encouraged being more calm and bringing sources rather than just posting PPB or getting into shit-flinging fights.
Hexbear existed for years before federation. It's a leftist instance for leftists, it isn't the homebase of infiltrating other instances or any such nonsense. A good number of Hexbear users are against federation because they want to keep a protected space for marginalized users that other instances do not have the same level of care for.
As for banning right-wingers? I'm fine with it. I don't care for hateful views like zionism, ableism, misogyny, homophobia, imperialist apologia, etc to be respected as some holy right to "free speech." I don't think Lemmy.world is bad for having banned dissenting viewpoints, I think Lemmy.world is bad for banning leftists and upholding right-wing ideology as the only acceptable one. I'm not some "free-speech absolutist."
I'm not a bad actor. I'm open and honest with my views, my stances, and my positions. No, I would not come to your defense if you were being an anti-communist or spreading apologia for imperialism, NATO, etc, or were talking about how good the DNC or capitalism are. I'm a communist, I say that proudly and openly, and I don't try to hide behind excuses for that.
A better world is possible, where we plan production and distribution to suit the needs of everyone, rather than relying on brutal systems of imperialism and plunder from the international working class. If you want to learn more about what I believe and why, I made an introductory Marxist-Leninist reading list, check it out if you wish.
Not sure why you would post the source and then lie about what it says:
“I can assure you there will be no lemmygrad brigades, that energy would be better funneled into the current war against liberalism on the wider fediverse.”
“All loyal, honest, active and upright Communists must unite to oppose the liberal tendencies shown by certain people among us, and set them on the right path. This is one of the tasks on our ideological front.”
At least you're open about being a hypocrite though, when it comes to banning people for just "having stances"
If you read the actual post itself, on Hexbear, it is phrased in a manner that acknowledges what we all know: if leftists see right-wing nonsense, they will try to debunk it, and that it asks users to please not do so with PPB or whatnot but by being professional and bringing sources. There are no coordinated brigades.
I'm not hypocritical either, it's absolutely correct that Lemmy.world banned Hexbear because it's a group of vocal leftists and that's unacceptable to the right-wing admins. I don't care about free-speech absolutism, what I care about is what stances are allowed and what aren't. Liberalism should not be protected, leftist views should be. Or do you think racist speech should be protected? Nonsense, I'm sure we both can agree on that, the difference is that I think leftist views are correct and morally just, while right-wing views are not.
I mean, it's obvious why you're lying. I just didn't expect you to lean right into the whole "there is no war in Ba Sing Se" vibe.
For the first, it's saying exactly what I said, that it's encouraging users that do choose to engage to do so with professionalism.
For the latter, it isn't a statement of intent, but a description of what is actually going on, a struggle between liberalism and leftism. There are prominent brigaders and drama farmers on .world, sh.itjust.works, piefed.world, etc that engage in ideological propagandizing against leftists, just like there are leftists that do so against right-wingers. This isn't a command to Hexbear users to go out and disseminate spooky scary leftist ideology, but a description of what already exists.
So no, I'm not lying, you're either unintentionally misreading the post and my comments, or are deliberately smearing me.
Propaganda wars and professionalism are not mutually exclusive. Nice try.
You don't get dizzy from so much spinning?
I mean, by that logic, Lemmy World admins never specifically stated that they were defederating because of people holding viewpoints they don't like. You want to have it both ways so bad it's disgusting.
Maybe these tactics actually work in Communist spaces? That would explain a lot...
The Lemmy.world admins manufactured the idea of Hexbear users intentionally brigading lemmy.world threads before they even federated, choosing to pre-emptively defederate, and directly cited ideological differences as the reason. Lemmy.world does not care about "idelogical warfare" itself as bad, as there are constant drama farms and prominent users and comms on Lemmy.world that directly state their intent is to push anti-communist views, yet these users are protected, made moderators, etc. Logically, therefore, it's the views that matter, not the idea of "protecting against brigading."
If the Lemmy.world admins were honest, they would just outright state that they don't like communism. Hexbear is honest, and directly states they ban right-wingers. Lemmy.world tries to have their cake and eat it too.
Quote it. Your evidence so far is "they're lying".
In addition to the reasoning I've already given, their intentional bolding of comments like these:
This was a statement on the stances of Hexbear, not a call to action. The Lemmy.world admins highlighted it to show why ideologically this was unacceptable to them, plain and simple.
Again: I asked for you to quote them saying they were defederating because hexbear users have stances common to communists.
What you gave me was your interpretation of why they bolded some text.
They listed stances common to communists as an example of what to defederate from. Tell me, why would they bold it? As Edie said, you're just sealioning.
That's probably true -- quite a few things in those quotes
This is the lie.
Why did they bold the line about the left wanting to dismantle the IMF, NATO, etc? It certainly wasn't because it was telling users to wage ideological war, it was to highlight unacceptable ideology.
Stop sealioning.
They actually didn't bold it lol. But let's assume you meant "include".
Why did hexbear include it in their announcement? Why highlight an ideology they want to target while specifically telling their userbase, who they acknowledge are trolls, to try and play nice during the propaganda war on this new (to them) instance? Could it be that they are manufacturing an archetype of the average Lemmy World user?
Why would Lemmy World admins want to sign up for that? And why do you keep pretending that they just wanted to federate and be chill?
They did bold it:
It isn't bolded in the original text:
Either you're lying, like you keep accusing everyone else, or you don't care enough about the truth to check. In both cases it's clear you're sealioning.
Literally nothing in that line is bolded. Maybe get your eyes checked?
Or I'm right, and you do lie about things you post for some reason.
I thought you might not know what that meant, but now I know you don't.
Notice you have nothing to say about the actual meat of what I said though. And we all know why that is.
I showed you images of them bolding the part about the left's interests in their quotations. You can drop the act, I posted photo evidence of it.
Let's try this again:
Why did hexbear include it in their announcement? Why highlight an ideology they want to target while specifically telling their userbase, who they acknowledge are trolls, to try and play nice during the propaganda war on this new (to them) instance? Could it be that they are manufacturing an archetype of the average Lemmy World user?
Why would Lemmy World admins want to sign up for that? And why do you keep pretending that they just wanted to federate and be chill?
No, you already lied to my face about the bolding, which the Lemmy.world mods absolutely did. I'm not entertaining your sealioning or gaslighting.
So this is really all you have under the surface? Latch on to a throwaway when you can't argue with the substance?
For the audience: Lemmy World didn't want to federate with an instance of loud and proud Leftist shitposters, despite them pinky-swearing to play nice while achieving their goal of dismantling western propaganda on the instance and continuing their war on Liberals in the fediverse.
Cowbee says this is because Lemmy World hates Communists, not just communities that are obsessed with their political ideology, shitpost and "dunk" all day, and feel a sense of duty to purge Lemmy World of its evil politics and replace them with their own.
For the audience, which thus far seems to be no more than 3 people all agreeing with me, you were caught lying and then pretended to my face that you couldn't see the irrefutable proof I gave, then dodged every question because you can't actually engage with the substance of the argument after slandering me and insulting me over and over again.
I mean, I already told you, you're wrong about the bolding. I say you're lying, you say I'm lying, why keep debating it? It was a throwaway jab.
Unless of course that's literally the last and final straw you have to grasp at.
Again, the .world thread:
Hexbear thread:
Shows the bolding plain as day. You can even look at the .world thread in markdown and see the "**" on the outside, indicating the bolding. It's incredibly easy to admit you're wrong here.
Sure does! And the bullet you mentioned about IMF, NATO, etc has no bolding. Even in the source!
Why this, the equivalent of me saying you made a typo, is the hill you want to die on is becoming clearer by the moment. :)
Both "dismantle western propaganda" and "It is in the Left's interest for these organizations to be demolished" were bolded by the .world admins to emphasize it. Really don't know what you're doing here beyond sealioning.
-Jean-Paul Sartre
Applies pretty well to you. You're aware of the absurdity of your replies, the game is the point for you.
You know what, you're so hungry for it, I'll concede this point. You were right, ~~it should have been "your" not "you're"~~ those were were the ones that were highlighted.
I'll put a little trophy right next to your username :)
Really don't know what the point of any of this was beyond proving my points.
Well you also ignored mine to fixate on which bullets were bolded, so there's that! Big day!
You never had any points, and lied whenever I brought any up specifically to avoid engaging with mine. I brought up that they bolded the point about the left needing to demolish NATO, the IMF, etc. as a means to show that this is ideologically incompatible with Lemmy.world. You lied, even in face of photo evidence, to avoid answering my question on why they did that. It's dishonest, and is why there's no point in arguing with points you raise because you won't take any response seriously.
Wrong.
Also wrong.
Wow, wrong again. And again. And again.
Wrong too.
Cute grandstanding.
I've answered your question and invited you to respond to that answer several times now. But you've just continued to dodge. But sure, you're the pinnacle of serious, honest debate.
No, you directly lied in the face of evidence and claimed no bolding happened. You're fully aware of the absurdity of your replies, any treatment of your "points" as anything other than the trolling they've been would be fruitless.
Not a single person has agreed with you here.
I tried giving you an out on the bolding thing by restating it differently. I made the mistake of seeing "IMF" and "NATO" in Cowbees and locking on to the second bullet point where "IMF" and "NATO" also is, but upon closer inspection realized that it was in fact the third one. If you made a similar mistake you could just have said that.
No, I wasn't wrong.
"It is in the Left's interest for these organizations to be demolished" is bolded. That is the line Cowbee is referring to, "these organizations" are "organizations such as NATO, the IMF, and the World Bank" as written in the previous bullet point.
End the sealioning already. Surely you have better things to use your time on.
Hexbear admins: "We plan to federate with Lemmy World for the express purpose of dismantling their western propaganda. We intend to continue our war against Liberals in the fediverse while we're there. But no brigades. We totally promise.
Despite openly acknowledging that our typical behavior is to 'dunk on dirtbag libs', and to do hilarious trolling, we will try to engage using informed rhetoric and sources."
Lemmy World admins: "That sounds terrible. No thanks."
Cowbee: "Lemmy World admins secretly hate Communists. Look at what they bolded!"
Am I missing anything? I can source anything in there you think isn't true.
Accuses me of sealioning while giving cover to a blatant liar. Good stuff.
This is quoting the anti-imperialist parts, not the part where they tell them not to brigade or other such things, and saying that those mean hexbear has no intention of respecting the rules!
And if they really had a problem with this, then people that did the same on their instance would not be as Cowbee has pointed out:
The problem is the beliefs and ideology (again why are they highlighting the anti-imperialist, i.e. communist, parts?) not the "pushing" part
But neither of you have sourced it. You just feel like it's true.