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Would you put up a flag somewhere? (piefed.social)

submitted 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) by OpenStars@piefed.social to c/AskUSA@discuss.online

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I'm not talking like 10 of them, just one. Even for historical reasons.

Edit: I suppose you could answer any way you like it, but fwiw I meant like an American flag. 🇺🇲

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[–] cobysev@lemmy.world 4 points 4 weeks ago (2 children)

I'm a recently retired military veteran who was gifted an American flag as part of my retirement ceremony.

If I fly any official flags on my property, it'll likely be the new Minnesota flag, demonstrating pride in my home state that has stood up against bigotry and hatred in recent years and is currently pushing an amendment to our state constitution that will guarantee equal rights for absolutely everyone, including protections for abortions and LGBTQ+ citizens. Plus, the new state flag was made in an effort to move away from the perception of racism and colonization that our traditional flag previously displayed.

Heck, I might even fly a Norwegian flag, demonstrating pride in my family's heritage and a nation that's rated one of the top countries to live in globally (They're usually #1, but I believe Denmark occasionally snags the title from them). I still have relatives living in Norway, and that country is my bug-out location if America ever becomes inhospitable.

I will NOT fly the American flag. I am very disappointed in my nation currently. I served during Trump's first term and it was a complete shitshow for the US military, not to mention the awful changes he made that affected the civilian population. He's determined to burn it all to the ground this time around and I'm glad I'm no longer in the military, dealing with the fallout.

If anything, I will fly the American flag upside down, the sign of distress in instances of extreme danger to life or property.

[–] Zoot@reddthat.com 2 points 3 weeks ago

Did someone say... Minnesota? Minnesota Karma Train

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Thank you for your service, and yeah I completely understand.:-(

Conservatives often go much farther, showing the flag not left to right but up and down, and in all black and gray to indicate corruption, or even outright altered like showing the thin blue line.

Edit: adding picture of the above:

I wonder if there's a way for people to respect our nation's past even if not agreeing with the future direction, like a Betsy Ross style flag or some such?

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Can't go wrong with classic red white and blue.

All thin lines are cringe no matter the color. I don't mind the black/transparent decal stickers of flags. I think some people read too deep into those, it's just the easiest to match any car paint scheme. Not a fan of the distressed ones like what you showed though.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I mostly see the black ones on people's clothing. Some have been fitted into the punisher skull shape. The distress is very much the point that they are trying to convey: that liberal America is destroying the once great USA and now we have only what's left. I wonder if those will now fall out of fashion after Trump's election? Although they didn't seem to last time so I dunno.

Yeah I don't like the insertion of any lines whatsoever for any purpose, since it seems to fly in the face of the wording of the law pertaining to flag, according to my reading of it. Like I get the sentiment but that's a slippery slope and surely there's a better way to convey that, like taking a whole flag and adding something adjacent to it, without disrupting the internal integrity of the shape.

[–] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 0 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago) (1 children)

Yeah fuck anything punisher skull. And honestly I think the artificially worn look is just a vibe some people like, like pre ripped jeans I guess lol. I mean the national anthem is about a flag going through hell and still flying so it's not totally unpatriotic from that angle. But def not my style

I feel like if your cause or support group or whatever deserves a "line" flag then it should probably be it's own flag anyway. Like I know some fire department guys that would wear thin red line stuff and I like the fire community and what it stands for but leave the american flag alone

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 1 points 4 weeks ago

That's a good way to put it: I support the cause (of honoring firefighters) but not the execution of that idea.:-)

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Not really. America as a state is a bad thing, imo. Colonialist state built on genocide and slavery, continues to be a violent force in the rest of the world.

I love the land itself and I have compassion for my fellow citizens, but not the country, if that makes any sense. To me the flag represents something that needs to be dismantled.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I guess it can mean different things to different people. To a conservative, a strong past followed up by a bright fascist future only held up by corrupt liberals, while to liberals a march toward a welcoming socialist utopia only held up by backwards thinking conservatives.

Truth lies in the middle I am afraid, but anyway I feel like I get some of what you mean even if I inject my own lines of thinking into that as well (that both sides are naive and led around by the nose by the wealthy who purchase politicians who promise much and then deliver next to nothing or even worse sometimes).

Personally I think that we need to make life happen locally regardless of what they do, but I understand if someone else thinks otherwise. Although in your case that's kinda what your said maybe, except I don't care if the tax collection system gets dismantled or not, I just think that the former is true regardless.

[–] Alice@beehaw.org 2 points 3 weeks ago

Personally I think that we need to make life happen locally regardless of what they do, but I understand if someone else thinks otherwise.

That's something we definitely agree on. I think our differences are basically semantic; I can't detangle the name and symbology of America from a structure I don't believe in, but I know that's not universal. At the end of the day we both care about our home and the people living here.

[–] superduperpirate@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago

I’ll put a US flag magnet on my fridge. If I had a house with a flagpole on the property, I’m flying the flag of my college.

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 2 points 4 weeks ago

Pride flag, sure. Any country's flag, nah.

[–] mattd@programming.dev 2 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

I fly one of these LGBTQ American flags on my house

https://flagsforgood.com/products/for-all-united-states-flag?variant=39858231443614

[–] Scary_le_Poo@beehaw.org 2 points 4 weeks ago

I pass a house and I see a flag... "A racist definitely lives there."

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

I fly two flags in my home: the NCR flag with the two headed bear, and the flag of the United Federation of Planets. These are the only two political organizations I have any patriotism toward. They are both entirely fictional but “true” to me on a heart level.

[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

If I could own a nice house, I had a good work life balance, I didn't need to worry about medical or the nonexistence of retirement, my potential grandkids had a solid future, and the world seemed stable and peaceful, then, then I might feel like taking to time to say I'm proud and happy in my life.

Do they make Luigi flags

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 2 points 3 weeks ago

Of course they do!

https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808159314042.html?_randl_currency=USD&src=google&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%215.22%215.19%21%21%21%21%21%40%2112000044676733908%21ppc%21%21%21&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa&_randl_shipto=US

[–] thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 4 weeks ago

Nah it's starts to feel to much of a salute to the current ~~Nazis~~ Trump that are in charge. Don't want to be a ~~Nazi~~ trump sympathizer.

[–] khaleer@sopuli.xyz 1 points 4 weeks ago

Nov I am not of a kind who has developed emotional relationship with colorfull rag of "particular" criminalls and murderers.

[–] Majorllama@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Got an American flag up in the front of the garage.

You can be proud of the good parts of being an American and still want to improve on the bad parts. I respect people's choice to not fly one if they don't feel like the flag deserves it right now, but I know in other countries that are fighting oppression you will see the American flag is often being waved in those crowds. To many people it still holds the symbol of freedom and individual identity.

I also have a "no touchy" emperors new groove version of the Gadsden flag on my wall because I find the meme hilarious.

[–] kersploosh@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 weeks ago

I was not aware of this flag before. It's fantastic!

[–] elbucho@lemmy.world 1 points 4 weeks ago

Definitely not. This country leaves me very little to be proud of.

[–] Nemo@slrpnk.net 1 points 4 weeks ago

American flags are so much work if you want to follow the Flag Code, and I feel very strongly about following the Flag Code.

[–] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 1 points 4 weeks ago

Flags are a pain in the ass.

My grandfather had a pole in his front yard. Every bloody day it was acceptable, the US and US naval flag were up. Made him happy, having been career navy, but the amount of work involved in maintaining the pole can fuck right off for me, even if I gave a damn about flags.

And that's not including maintaining the flags, nor the extra bullshit about how you handle the flags when they're governmental.

Most I'm willing to deal with is a rainbow sticker, or one of the various related flags in sticker form so folks know they aren't alone, that they have people that care about them and their rights. Even that, I'm not dealing with an actual flag for.

[–] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

My priority as a parent has to be protecting my family. Any flag I could fly would put a target on my family in someone's eyes. Why risk it?

[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Keeping anyone from killing your kids is definitely step 1 in parenting, but be careful it doesn’t become step 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7… step 992,000.

If you think through every life choice through the lens of whether it increases or decreases the odds of your children being murdered, you’re going to raise them wrong.

[–] morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com 1 points 3 weeks ago

This is a time of uncertainty. It's unclear how far the new American Nazi movement will go. I'm playing it safe for now.

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 0 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

I'd never fly an American flag. I'm not at all patriotic; I'm deeply ashamed of this country.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 2 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

Highly ironically - and you may hate me for saying this but... - that you share in common with the other side. Man, disinformation has worked so incredibly well to prey upon our existing division spots and weaknesses.

[–] SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world -1 points 4 weeks ago (1 children)

One side hates this country for how it has oppressed minorities, and committed atrocities in the name of profit. The other side thinks the country isn't committing enough atrocities against minorities. So I would say equating the two is disingenuous.

[–] OpenStars@piefed.social 0 points 4 weeks ago

I did not say that they were "equal", just that they "shared" this in common. And that disinformation has worked against us too, as well as them.

[–] Buelldozer@lemmy.today -1 points 4 weeks ago* (last edited 4 weeks ago)

Sure, I have an American Flag I put out on the appropriate days like Memorial Day, Labor Day, Veterans Day, and July 4th.

I also have a variety of University Sports Teams and Political flags that I will put out when appropriate.