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Federated services have always had privacy issues but I expected Lemmy would have the fewest, but it's visibly worse for privacy than even Reddit.

  • Deleted comments remain on the server but hidden to non-admins, the username remains visible
  • Deleted account usernames remain visible too
  • Anything remains visible on federated servers!
  • When you delete your account, media does not get deleted on any server
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[–] Kushi@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago

This is a link to Raddle.me, what does this have to do with Mastodon?

[–] ISometimesAdmin@the.coolest.zone 5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Other people have already commented on how federated social media often requires certain data just for implementations to work and make sense, and there's not much more to add to that.

If you want private, end-to-end-encrypted, decentralized communication, the best modern solution to that is #matrix.

[–] deadcade@lemmy.deadca.de 5 points 2 years ago

The same "rumors" exist about Matrix. According to some, "a lot of metadata is unencrypted". While somewhat true, there's literally no way to be able to deliver a message from person A to person B without knowing who the message is from and who it's going to, especially on a decentralized platform. Most of the (not E2EE) metadata sent with an event in Matrix needs to be read by the homeserver, and thus can't be E2EE.

[–] mainfrog@beehaw.org 5 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Deleted comments remain on the server but hidden to non-admins, the username remains visible

This is a negative behavior by Lemmy, in my opinion. Deleted comments should be purged after some time. Tildes does the same thing - I think with 30 days?

Deleted account usernames remain visible too

These should be replaced with some random string of characters or something like DeleteUser or something.

Anything remains visible on federated servers!

This is just a concession of federation.

When you delete your account, media does not get deleted on any server

This is an issue, too, in my opinion.

[–] Da_Boom@iusearchlinux.fyi 3 points 2 years ago

Honestly, this is definitely something that can be added - and in fact it might even be beneficial to server costs. Alongside optional deletion of cached data from other instances maybe a year or two after the data arrived.

People need to remember that Lemmy is an alpha software - we haven't even reached the big 1.0 release

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@elbowmacaroni if instead of linking to the post you had boosted it, would all the replies here appear in beehaw?

[–] HorseFD@beehaw.org 4 points 2 years ago (14 children)

So just to clarify this point:

Anything remains visible on federated servers!

If I delete a comment on beehaw.org, it doesn't get deleted when accessed from another Lemmy instance that federates with Beehaw?

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[–] trent@kbin.social 4 points 2 years ago

The stuff listed in OP doesn't really seem like much concern. "What you put on the internet is there forever!" is completely true, and things like this should only make it more concrete that you can't rely on your service provider to delete information somebody else already archived.
With that being said, default privacy settings - at least on Kbin - seem pretty bad.

[–] ivy@fedi196.gay 4 points 2 years ago (6 children)

i use kbin because I don't like lemmy's devs 🙃
bonus points that it actually deletes things

[–] CheshireSnake@iusearchlinux.fyi 4 points 2 years ago

This is being naive. Don't trust a server you don't run yourself.

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[–] x2XS2L0U@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago

I switch accounts after some time and use other ones. It's quiet okay this way

[–] agitatedpotato@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago

Am I missing something or isnt it that no matter what Lemmy does all those same problems would still exist, just from the internet archival sites instead. Sure the privacy could be better to deter some of it, but none of those issues are fully solveable so long as thise archival sites run. I guess the media not deleting is likely the biggest thing you could effect that archives would be less likely to store in the first place.

[–] phillycodehound@geddit.social 3 points 2 years ago

It's a work in progress.

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