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Apple Removes iCloud E2EE in UK: What You Need to Know (neat.tube)

submitted 2 months ago by ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

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[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 23 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Seems like self hosting is going to be the only option the way things are going.

[–] toastal@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 month ago

Always was 🔫🧑‍🚀

[–] Slax@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Will the government stop or enforce other laws that prevent individuals from encrypting their own storage?

[–] ToadOfHypnosis@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago

Don’t see how they could. It would be near impossible to enforce with current technology infrastructure.

[+] IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

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[–] ExtremeDullard@lemmy.sdf.org 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yeah but China ain't a democracy and Apple has their stuff manufactured in China. So you'd expect them to bend over backward to comply there.

The UK on the other hand is nominally a democracy, and Apple has no vital need to keep the UK powers that be happy. Apple could very well decide to tell them to pound sand and pull out of the country for the sake of principles, and I guarantee you the UK would quickly back down.

If Apple hadn't complied in the UK, they would have lost a bit of profits for a while, but gained a ton of good will and credibility. They chose profits. Because corporation.

Incidentally, this whole thing should tell you how much of a democracy the UK really is.

[–] leraje@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 1 month ago

I'm not a fan of Apple at all but they could've done a lot worse. They've basically refused to backdoor encryption and instead announced (as opposed to silently doing it) its removal instead.

I think what we should be more concerned about here is the total silence from other companies who offer encrypted cloud services. Might that imply they've already (as per the terms of the UK's edict) silently complied?

[–] pylapp@programming.dev 6 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Any ideas for E2E encrypted storage alternatives?

[–] rinze@lemmy.ca 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Use whatever cloud provider + encryption on your side. That way you don't have to trust them.

I use pCloud (based in Switzerland) and what I sync is a Cryptomator vault. You have other options, such as VeraCrypt, etc.

[–] Evotech@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Same, I do this with documents only though.

[–] rinze@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 month ago

I was doing this with documents only when I was using Veracrypt, which forces you to have a fixed volume size and I had to pick and choose what to put inside. When I discovered Cryptomator, which uses a directory and can grow as much as needed, I decided that there was no need to think about what I should encrypt and what not: let's just put everything inside that folder and be done with it.

[–] Dima@feddit.uk 7 points 1 month ago

You could use rclone with any service it supports as encrypted cloud storage by using its crypt feature. More technical to set up though than just installing an app.

[–] andrew0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Proton offers a Drive, and they're based in Switzerland. I don't see them being strong-armed like this by the UK government any time soon.

[–] EngineerGaming@feddit.nl 3 points 1 month ago

No one's removing my access to LUKS))