Something like yesterday or so General Secretary of NATO said membership for Ukraine was never proposed. So it's just empty posturing on the side of Zelensky.

[–] Sauerkraut@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 months ago (5 children)

"Empty posturing" is a very cynical and cruel way to frame it. What would you have Zelensky do instead? Quietly let Putin and Trump divide his country up?

[–] PolandIsAStateOfMind@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 months ago

It's not enough cynical and cruel for this bastard. Only a pity that the US imperialism again ruined another country and again killed a million people or so. A lot of people were warning this is how it's gonna end and lo and behold, cassandra curse again worked.

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[–] K1nsey6@lemmy.ml 18 points 2 months ago

The US will dispose of him well before that ever happens. He has outlived his usefulness to US empire.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You have to be high as hell to think Ukraine would ever be in NATO at this point. All NATO countries would have to agree to start WW3.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

No, but that’s the bargaining chip that will be given in exchange for Russia giving back a large part of occupied land.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 7 points 2 months ago

There is no way in hell Russia would make such a deal.

[–] wuphysics87@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Who wants this trade? Does NATO want him gone? Who benefits?

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

Trump keeps bitching about elections being postponed because of martial law. Because the Ukrainians don’t want polling places to be targets and Russia to try to interfere in other ways.

[–] doodledup@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Are we going to repost this every day now? I've seen like ten sources here covering this.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

I posted this 2 days ago when it was new. I posted it because someone else posted a paywalled article and this was open to all.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

The whole war was about Ukraine NATO membership.

[–] uis@lemm.ee -2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Lol no.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Remember the Cuban Missile Crisis? Now imagine if Cuba had more than just missiles. Imagine if it were Mexico or Canada joining the Warsaw Pact.

[–] uis@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Goal of Putin's rethoric about NATO is his public image. War for him is good external tool to solve internal problems. He is very much capitalist with 10 palaces, 6 yachts and dozens of oligarch friends.

[–] PanArab@lemm.ee 1 points 2 months ago

No disagreements here, Putin is corrupt and guilty of war crimes. I wouldn’t defend Putin not after Chechnya, I am just stating the obvious, no country would like a hostile military alliance at its borders regardless of how criminally corrupt it may be or how good the military alliance may be.

If Ukraine wanted to join NATO it should have kept its nukes. Otherwise it had no option but to remain neutral.

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