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“Trumpism is not going to be defeated by inside-the-Beltway politicians,” he said.

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[–] TheGoddessAnoia@lemmy.ca 25 points 6 days ago

My, my! It's good to see so many younger Americans ripping on an 83 year old man who has lived his socialist beliefs since high school, regardless of cost. Bernie has been outvoted, dragged, beaten, arrested, and then gone right back out to the front lines and done it all again: what, pray, are you doing , now, when it is needed, to compare? Aside, I mean, from waving your keyboard at the big, bad socialist who is at least still out there trying to push the stone up the hill once more, because it's what he can still do?

I thought the fascists were the problem.

[–] tastysaganaki@reddthat.com 20 points 6 days ago (3 children)

There’s some people who just hate on Bernie regardless of what he says or does. He if makes no comment in this time of authoritarianism, you’ll say he’s useless. If he does speeches like he’s doing, you’ll say he’s useless- as many comments here currently reflect. He typically says things that have a moral core or decency to them. He’s of course not perfect. He also has to politically function within a broken two party bullshit system which, unless there’s a significant change to how it functions, limits how he can try to enact laws. But to many here he’s clearly damned if he does and doesn’t. I’ve read through all of the comments here so far and none of the people critiquing Bernie have offered up a tangible suggestion for what Bernie should be doing instead, rather just pointing out how ineffective they feel Bernie is. Bernie made a huge national culture shift to the left through his historic runs for president. He was stifled by the DNC and ultimately lost, but the enduring left of center message continues in many politicians running in the country on the Democratic side. I am not defending the Democrats as a party at all, but I’d argue Bernie successfully used the Dems to get his message across during his presidential runs, and now as an Independent continues to have a platform for left of center messages. Whether he’s sufficiently left enough or effective enough is the eternally tired debate with some on the left who, besides shitting on Bernie, don’t themselves offer solutions.

[–] Spzi@lemm.ee 10 points 6 days ago (1 children)

none of the people critiquing Bernie have offered up a tangible suggestion for what Bernie should be doing instead, rather just pointing out how ineffective they feel Bernie is.

People reacting to activism, in a nutshell.

[–] JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

Defense mechanism

That way they feel less bad about doing nothing themselves

[–] lemmingthelemmers@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] tastysaganaki@reddthat.com 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This reply is exactly my point. And…? So he’s not sufficiently left and/or effective enough for you. What is the solution? It’s easy to dump on others, and a hell of a lot harder to actually produce answers. I’ll also add that there’s a lot on the left who propose pie in the sky answers that resemble little in the way of constructive, real world, “how does this get done in real life” type answers. I’m on the left, too. I’m all for solutions. Let’s hear them. I’m beyond “Bernie is a shill” and “Bernie is useless”. Let’s hear your genius plan then for how to better this country. Be constructive.

[–] lemmingthelemmers@lemmy.world -5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

For one stop following false idols. If Bernie was for real he would have fought Hilary and Biden to the end. He didn't. He folded and started touring for then right away with the lesser of two evils talk. He came and took all that grassroots money and organizing and handed right over to the DNC. Bernie comes out when the people are angry and need a lullaby and the democrats need more money.

I have no doubt Bernie (if he stayed true to character) would have won both times as the democratic candidate if not for DNC being obstructionists and him not folding, but he folded. In 2020 he could have made a 3rd party viable, but he folded. He should have run 2024 with the state of everything, but he backed Biden then Harris.

Why does anyone think that guy is now all of a sudden going to fight for them?

Never vote for democrats, people who carry water for democrats, or anyone who takes unregistered foreign money. It's that simple. They will never advocate for real change. Tell all your friends and tell them about the significance of 1972. And source your news from a wide political spectrum of real independent media.

[–] thatonecoder@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

But the Democrats are the lesser evil of two. Just because you vote in the lesser evil doesn't mean you can't fight it, later on. Bernie Sanders knew he most likely wouldn't win, so he focused on fighting the Greater Evil: Trump, and the MAGA mob.

[–] lemmingthelemmers@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Knew he most likely wouldn't win....

Then why did he ask for all of that money and act like he was going to win?

In 2020 he had the delegate lead going into SC before he folded as if he had the worst hand on the table.

Bernie is nothing more than the tamer of emotions. He will not fight for you in any real meaningful way. Time to leave Tio Bernie behind.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 6 points 5 days ago

Bernie Sanders needs to start a leftist party

[–] Suavevillain@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

It is good to see Bernie out there active. The only issue is where does this all go? Harris lost and no leadership changes has been made. Dems are actively throwing their hands up saying they can't do anything.

[–] isles@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

The only issue is where does this all go?

I can only hope to people not looking to the DNC for answers and we break their duopoly with some sort of working class / labor party.

[–] geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml -5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Bernie lines up all the people who thought of leaving the Democrats and prevents them from organizing around an alternative.

Then when the next election comes Bernie tells them to unconditionally vote Democrat because they have no other choice.

Pied Piper Sanders.

[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

So then we vote in the next milqtoast neolib who doesn't meaningfully improve things in enough time to stop people from voting R again?

We need a leftist party and as long as the Neolibs are in control of the Democrats they will never allow that to happen.

Most of them are totally fine with most everything that's happening. They have all the tools to keep their stock portfolios stacked, they never cared about poors, and they get to campaign on "omg look how awful." They're gonna whine performatively and not do a damn thing to actually stop a single thing. If they had half a collective spine and a fractuon the moral fortitude Bernie does, we never would have gotten here to begin with.

[–] kilgore_trout@feddit.it -2 points 5 days ago

Come on, he's almost gone. I admire him, but it's sad to watch.

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