I just bought a Toyota and they locked a lot of features behind an app with a monthly fee, absolute fucking pricks. The whole auto industry is going to shit.
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What did they lock behind the paywall?
The main things that bother me are maps, remote start (which can be done from the keys but it's a pain in the ass). When you start the vehicle a screen comes up that asks you to subscribe for maps, and then Android auto connects like 50% of the time and randomly disconnects when you are driving.
What things are subscription?
Seeing as cars and computers are increasingly shared platforms, where is the car-hacking community? As distinct from the car-optimizing or car-modding communities.
Modern cars, I think because of safety laws and "trade secrets", can be quite a pain the reverse engineer. It's notoriously difficult to even interface with any of the chips in any of the onboard computers in the first place, let alone reverse engineer what's going on and modify it. On top of that some car companies, like Toyota, are starting to add HMACs to all the messages they send on the CAN bus, so even if you did figure out everything, unless you get the signing keys every message will be ignored. On top of that, it'll void your warrant, which I know some people don't care about, but for a new car that you are having to depend on, its another hurdle.
where is the car-hacking community?
In jail
"Hack the planet"
You wouldn't download ecologically friendly things!?
Stellantis? More like Stale Anus
Everytime
Not a word. Nice journalism grad.
I'm seeing very simple grammatical mistakes in articles more and more. It's bizarre. Even if the author makes a mistake, where are the editors? Do we have a shortage of English majors somehow?
Lang shift has snuck up on us, tsk.
I can deal with ad when watching TV or YouTube. But ads in the car, even while stopped, is just begging for someone to get killed. Will never even consider getting a jeep. I'm probably gonna have to get a new car in a couple of years and I want something new, but dumb. I want as little smart shit as possible, which is probably not going to be a thing.
There’s still Caterhams and Ginettas.
Although on second thoughts they’re probably not allowed in a country where the inhabitants can’t be trusted with a Kinder surprise egg.
I can deal with ad when watching TV or YouTube.
i can't! i really hate ads, they're so loud and obnoxious, they're like jump scares every time they come on! ugh! this car would be like my idea of a nightmare!
I use ad breaks in vids to answer texts/emails or take a piss or whatever. Intrusive ads that take up entire pages on a site are the worst tho. Those can fuck off.
do you mute them or something? i don't think i could focus on reading anything with that shit blaring in the background!
I just tune ads out. I got ADHD, so it's really easy for me to get distracted and completely tune things out. It's useful in some situations, but mostly sucks lmao.
The ads aside, nothing from the Stellantis family should be on your radar anyway
But I quite like the latest Maserati.
Get an old Jeep 40s-2001 were prim- ya know what don't get an old Jeep. I don't want the competition.
How hard up for money could they possibly be? It's such an insane move.
The best thing about Saint Luigi is that one doesn't have to endorse an incel eco-fascist like Teddy K to call for "direct action."
Careful with ol Ted there, all his good points were accidental, dude bombed university offices because he heard a plane fly over in the woods.
"Wanna be furious every time you stop?"
"BUY A JEEP."
*BONUS ongoing electrical problems AND rust
Maybe pull the fuse for internet
Wait until Musk gets permission to use their Neuralink chips world wide!
We need laws on how intrusive ads are allowed to be. Advertising is out of control. Personally, whenever I see an ad too many times, I make sure to avoid purchasing that item or anything from that company. You're trying too hard to sell me junk.
"how intrusive" ?
We need laws to ban any sort of tracking, profile generation, etc.
Bring back contextual ads. If I'm on a gaming website show me a gaming ad ffs.
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Turning everything you use into a fucking ads platform is peak capitalism. Burn it with fire.
everything you ~~use~~ own
Consumer already paid for the damn vehicle. At least market that ad-bullshit as the cheaper freemium rental version and offer a no ads purchase version... They are not at all thinking about the consumer, only about filling their ever growing pockets.
Reason 2378 to never buy a Stellantis vehicle
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