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German police brutalise female activists at Women’s Day rally (dailytelegraph.co.nz)

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Watch germans scramble to take the side of cops, as usual. I've heard boots are a speciality this season.

[–] clonedhuman@lemmy.world 50 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Pro-Palestine protestors really seem to get the pigs into a rage. They must believe that they'll be able to get away with it.

And so far, it looks like they have. Right now, in the U.S., the Trumplicans (and Leon) are revoking the visas of international students who took part in protests to support Palestine. I'd guess for every couple we hear about there are a hundred more we don't.

It seems strange the countries all over the world are using similar violence against anyone protesting the Zionist genocide.

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 16 points 10 hours ago

All that shit is happening in Germany, too.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

From the article

Police intervened when the protesters allegedly violated the restriction, triggering a confrontation, Bild reported. As tensions escalated, demonstrators reportedly threw bottles and clashed with officers, leaving at least one officer injured. Berlin police confirmed the incident on their official X account, stating that 28 people were detained and insisting that the officers had no choice but to use force against protesters who they claim were acting violently.

[–] febra@lemmy.world 2 points 1 hour ago

"The restriction" being: speaking any language other than german or english at a protest.

I think this should be spelled out. That's how nazi this is

[–] MissGutsy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Just so you know, "Bild" is a german right wing magazine. Imagine fox news as a newspaper. They are well known to report false information to smear left wing initiatives and further hurt victims if they are left wing. Since the victims of police brutality here are apparently pro-palastine, Bild cannot be trusted to report accurately

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 5 points 7 hours ago

was good enough for dailytelegraph.co.nz (the linked source) but if you find any other sources please link

[–] clonedhuman@lemmy.world 21 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

And from the paragraph you cited: "Berlin police confirmed the incident on their official X account...insisting that the officers had no choice but to use force against protesters who they claim were acting violently."

They say shit like this even when there are hours of video demonstrating otherwise. I'm sure afterward they'll investigate themselves and find no wrongdoing.

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They say shit like this

demonstrators reportedly threw bottles and clashed with officers, leaving at least one officer injured

before they violently arrest you

[–] itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

From the article it seems like bottles started flying after they started beating people. But of course it's the protestors' fault, always is

[–] jimmy90@lemmy.world 1 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

nope, they started racist chants which meant the police attempted arrests which caused the projectiles

[–] arafatknee@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Nazis being Nazis.

[+] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone -13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

No matter if you say all germans are nazis, or all police are nazis, both is wrong.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 41 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

Police in full riot gear beating up unarmed women is a pretty strong indicator though. Also German police has Nazi scandals every year. This goes from whatsapp chats, where they share "nazi jokes" and pedophilia, over stealing weapons and ammunition for nazi terror groups, to protecting nazi terror cells committing attacks on politicans to being involved in planning violent coups and mass murder of political enemies

Oh and of course there is a bunch of racist murders by the police, with one infamous police station still in operation, where a black men was set on fire by cops and a Chinese women was raped and murdered by the step-son of the former leader of the station and son of a policewomen there, who both likely helped cover up the crime.

In Germany, if you have a police interaction with a person that is deemed to be "non German" or that is deemed to be "lefty", the interaction will likely be racist or otherwise abusive.

EDIT: Oh and there was a recent case, where the police deported a non-binary German person to Hungary in June 2024 despite a court injunction that forbid the deportation. However the constitutional court ruling the action of the police to be unlawful recently doesn't change the fact that she is indeed abused and the police who deported her there did not face any consequences yet.

Fascism is epidemic inside the German police and Racism and Sexism are systematically protected by the administrative and political leaders.

[–] barsoap@lemm.ee 6 points 8 hours ago

Berlin, Berlin, Berlin, Sachsen-Anhalt -- both murders are connected to the Dessau police, Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. You could add Hamburg to the list of forces with a definite racism problem (remember the emetics stuff?), and others, such as Bavaria, well not so much racism but general police state attitude. They're also pretty letter of the law, while the eastern cases are by and large egregious law breaches. Hamburg's police doesn't really fit the city, TBH, I blame Schill.

Painting all 16 state forces with the same brush is guaranteed to get you some blowback based on regional patriotism alone.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

Hi german here

Yes police in east germany has big nazi problems. Doesnt mean all are nazis -.-

They are in riot gears for their own protection. Especially after the happenings of last few months where people started driving into crows

While yes often there is racial profiling with police stops there is no such thing as higher stops for "looking left wing" and that they then are abusive to you

You are putting in all people under one blanket. You know who also does that? Racists, nazis, homophobes aso. Your argument is: Japan has nazis: all japanese are nazis There are nazis that play video games: all that play video games are nazis There are nazi Programmers: all nazi programmers are nazis. Little tip: There are also nazi woman! Guess all woman are nazis hmm?

Maybe instead of generalising, focus on the individuals, on the nazis not on those that dont do these adhorent crimes

[–] clonedhuman@lemmy.world 18 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

I don't think Saleh is saying anything about all police being this way.

But the fact that any of them are like this, and that there are enough of them like this, is a genuine problem for the well-being of regular people.

This isn't an all-or-nothing situation. We can recognize that there are a significant number of police using violence to accomplish political ends without having to make a disclaimer about not all individual police being this way, because there are clearly enough of them behaving this way that there is real cause for concern.

Wouldn't you agree?

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Clearly enought haha yeah...yeah...21%...

It is a big problem. I fully agree. A police in saxony had the german empire eagle stiched in the car seats. It is a problem, a huge problem.

Though this isnt because the police is inherently nazis, like its being put here and constantly yelled with ACAB. I can say myself, having worked with the police in my city, Augsburg, and having had many encounters with them, these people do not represent the police all over.

Clear distinction is key. If one puts innocent people in the same pot as normal people you aggrovate them and push them into this problem group, thus making this problem even bigger. One should never dehumanise. Never create this "us vs them" mentality". Doing this, you dont fight the problem, you radicalise yourself and this is a path that quickly only brings distruction.

[–] Tamerhindi@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago

That's true but the centerism of pretending that systemic behavior is the doing of a few black sheep also doesn't help to stop and make changes. Look at the West Bank, for years the European countries gave a free hand to Israel "oh but it is just a few settlers, Israelis want peace" and today? The whole places is riddled with colonies, stealing Palestinian land and making their lives unliveable. So yeah sure not all police are Nazis but when they behave like some or execute fascist laws then they are no better than the brown shirts of old. London police stood up when a peaceful protest came under fire by politicians and upheld the citizens' right to protest. That's how police should behave, as the ultimate keeper of our rights, not to tear them away.

[–] Takapapatapaka@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

Not answering on the 'all nazis' point that just seems to be a wide misunderstanding and was already answered by others.

On the 'left wing' profiling though, I do think that there definitely exists something of the kind, at least in France. I experienced it multiple times, when being controlled on the streets. Each time, only people arrested were 'alternative' people (like with a punk look, tracksuits, looking homeless, or just fucked up clothes and long hairs like me). Most of us where white. And all people around with nice clothes and huge baggages were not even looked at. Maybe you don't see this as 'left wing' but that is kinda the only concept i see that could encompass all those groups.

And of course it is not such a problem as racial profiling, in impact on people and society as well as in numbers, but I really do think it exists.

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 9 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Sorry, to me their argument was the police are nazis, not all Germans. ACAB referrs to the institution, as yes there are there can't be good people being police, as they are corrupted, or forced out.

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

So since i worked with the police, i am inherently corrupt and a bad person?

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 5 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Did you actively speak out about police brutally and oppression? Did you effect change of the systematic injustices the police department commits?

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (2 children)

I wasnt a cop. I worked with them in the terms of cases that i was a witness plus did some IT work under contract. Not everyone that works for the police is a cop. And yes i speak out against the wrong doing of everyone! I went into politics to bring change! I am holding demonstrations and organize them. Against homophobia, transphobia, against the AfD, left extremists, against the actions the CDU does, against russia, that the police should not be the once investigating the cases that were done by them and that their body cams need to be on when ever out in uniform and more

What have you done so faar?

Edit: you said everyone in there is corrupt. No matter if they cant speak out because they cant afford to lose the job, no matter if they speak out but cant change it because they are a single office worker in the police. No you said all are corrupt

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Were you employed by the police?

[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

"I did some IT stuff for them under their contract" yes, i had a contract with them

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

So you were part of the support structure. Gotcha. The institution of the police is corrupt, it doesn't have to be, it could be changed, however as it stands policing is authoritarian.

[+] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

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[–] Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

You said "all police are nazi" I was part of the police. I am starting to think you dont understand fully that there are more than just americans out on the internet, nore that you understand how the police works

[–] T00l_shed@lemmy.world 2 points 6 hours ago

If i said that in my deleted comment I apologize, I didn't typed before thinking about what I was saying. ACAB means the police are inherently corrupt, it's built into the system, they oppress those not of the ruling class, they defend them. They beat protestors. If you were employed by the police, as they exist, then yes you were part of the system, maybe you were trying to affect change, good for you. You are missing the Forrest for the trees here. All men are assholes is a true statement, even when "not all men". I am not American, I understand how police work.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 7 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

As i said it is epidemic and it is systematically protected. Does not mean "all of them". As an institution it is deeply riddled with these problems.

As for higher stops for "looking left wing" there was this thing in 2023 where police demanded the train conductors to report people with dreadlocks or "looking politically non-conformative" ("alternatives aussehen").

Police wearing Riot gear and escalating left wing demonstrations also has nothing to do with cars driving into crowds. it is not a recent event. Just put "police violence berlin" or "police violence germany" into your search engine and you will find many examples. Here you can see police officers in full riot gear throwing women to the ground last summer, despite them evidently not posing any threat to anyone. Here you can see two police officers torturing a detained climate activist in 2023 despite there being no threat from him or anyone around whatsoever. Note how you can hear the snap of his wrist. I could not find any article regarding the officers to have faced any consequences.

All of this would not be a problem if the "individuals" that act in such a way would face consequences. Instead they are protected by their colleagues and the institution at large, which makes them complicit.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Tagging hendrik@palaver.p3x.de who believes german police is super chill

[–] remon@ani.social 8 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

If you want to tag a user you have to start with an @ symbol. You just posted an invalid e-mail.

[–] index@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

thanks, i sent him a manual message anyway @remon@ani.social

[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world -1 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

Just as a side note, when I'm at a demonstration where people are throwing bottles at cops, I'm leaving. Demonstration over. New! Improved! Riot beginning.

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 5 points 6 hours ago

What if you demonstrate against the growing authoritarian and fascist regimes? The ones that have power over the police?

My opinion is that in such cases bottles are ok, but they should contain a flammable liquid and an accompanying flame.

[–] Tamerhindi@lemm.ee 7 points 8 hours ago

If bottles were thrown it was in reaction to the police hitting the demonstratos with batons and punching peaceful participants holding a banner, you can see the videos in the article. As to what triggered the punching? A chant in Arabic condemning Israel. Your comment makes it sound like things turned into a "riot" for no reason and that the repression was justified.

[–] Saleh@feddit.org 1 points 5 hours ago

Usually bottles are thrown after the cops start attacking and by this point you might not be able to leave easily anymore as you are probably surrounded.