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Secretary of State Marco Rubio said on Monday that Ukraine would have to make concessions over land that Russia had taken since 2014 as part of any agreement to end the war.

Mr. Rubio spoke as he was flying to Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, for talks with senior Ukrainian officials, and 10 days after a contentious White House meeting between President Trump and his Ukrainian counterpart, Volodymyr Zelensky. The Trump administration halted military aid to Ukraine after the blowup, which centered on Mr. Trump’s refusal to include any security guarantees in a proposed deal involving Ukraine’s natural resources.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 1 points 11 minutes ago

Fuckhead rubio needs to pull his head out of Putin's ass even if there is room in it for both him and the orange suppository

[–] jaxxed@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 hour ago

De facto yes, but not in law they don't - no

[–] Jakule17@lemmy.world 29 points 10 hours ago

We don’t negotiate with terrorists my ass

[–] Furbag@lemmy.world 56 points 13 hours ago (3 children)

Imagine a hypothetical scenario in which Mexico invades the United States, takes complete control over the state of New Mexico, and right in the middle of the conflict Great Britain says "the war needs to end", drafts a ceasefire proposal that allows them take control of half of the country's natural resources, and offers no security guarantees in the event that Mexico decides to attack again. If you refuse, the British will stop sending military aid to help you continue fighting. Oh, and Mexico gets to keep New Mexico.

Who in their right fucking mind thinks that this is a good deal? Any sensible person would rather continue fighting than give up their advantage for some flimsy ceasefire that won't stand up to an invader hellbent on conquest.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml -4 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That’s not a good example, the US does not rely on the UK to defend itself.

[–] Podunk@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

To that point, lets be real, even the united states doesnt really care about new mexico. Crimea in this argument has actual economic value.

Honestly any square foot of what russia has stolen from Ukraine has so much more economic value in comparison to new mexico, its hardly a realistic comparison.

I get what you are saying. But taos vs a warm water sea port is such an insane comparison. Its so much worse. Albuquerque? Let em have it. Santa fe? Please.

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 points 8 hours ago

And that's after Mexico violated a non-aggression pact and conquered Arizona.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 13 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Lol. Remember when a bunch of assholes voted 3rd party or didn't vote because they were upset with Democrat's handling of foreign affairs?

Clown country.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 1 points 44 minutes ago

both stein and rfk got around 800+k votes. though i suspect many of them R voters on the fence.

[–] werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 7 points 11 hours ago

I saw a mouse poop and its poop was saying that Ukraine should give territory and other things. I just ignored it and moved on my trail this morning. Can't let poop dictate world order.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 33 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

Oh fuck off, Rubio.

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 102 points 23 hours ago (5 children)

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

If someone breaks into your house, kicks your dog and rapes your wife, you don’t negotiate to let them keep your TV. You shoot that fucker between the eyes. That’s what we need to be doing.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 51 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

I miss the good old ‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

Pretty sure that was only a thing in movies.

We negotiate with terrorists all the time.

[–] in4apenny@lemmy.dbzer0.com 25 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

US literally funds terrorists, gives them weapons, and gives them CIA training to do terrorism. It's like all these terrorist leaders went to the same school, of Americas.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Ken: Colonel, the guy you bagged is Dr. Amir Teraki, Pakistani. PhD in Astrophysics, educated at Harvard.

Colonel Tom Devoe: That's right, people. We educated half the world's terrorists.

The Peacemaker wasn't that well received but that line stuck with me.

[–] Aux@feddit.uk 23 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

‘we don’t negotiate with terrorists’ US.

That US never existed.

[–] DicJacobus@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

it did in the movies, in here lies the problem.

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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 43 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (2 children)

I don't see any peace deal unless there is security guarantees, it is not peace without guarantees.

This just embolden russia to rape Ukraine again for more lands. Marco Rubio is promoting a forever war.

Ukraine guarantees were taken away when the nukes were taken away.

[–] commander@lemmings.world 18 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Why do you put stock in security guarantees now?

Ukraine had security "guarantees" when Russia invaded because they gave up their nukes that Western nation have not followed through on.

[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 18 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (7 children)

Memorandum was not really a guarantee. NATO is more of a guarantee, nukes are more of a guarantee. Guarantee means NATO and/or Nukes.

Don't need to believe it will work, Nukes and NATO has worked in the past to maintain peace along russia borders.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

NATO membership is off the table, virtually no NATO country wants Ukraine to join.

[–] supercriticalcheese@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Security garantee is only worth as much as the nation giving it wants to honour it.

With this president is meaningless

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[–] CobraChicken3000@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Without security guarantees, this isn't a "peace" deal, it's a capitulation and an invitation for future aggression from Russia.

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[–] CircaV@lemmy.ca 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I hope Ukraine doesn’t cede anything at all.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

That’s not realistic unfortunately

[–] MasterOKhan@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I think it’s more likely that Ukraine forfeits USA support and it’s probably for the best at this point. I hope CANZUK and Europe are willing and able to step up to pick up the slack.

[–] SilentStorms@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I don’t see any peace deal happening that doesn’t involve ceding territory.

That said if I were Zelenskyy I would tell the US to pound sand and find someone else to mediate a more favourable deal, maybe Türkiye.

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 hours ago

If Zelenskyy tells the US to pound sand, the US cuts off military assistance and intelligence sharing again.

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[–] Maggoty@lemmy.world 19 points 23 hours ago

Says the same guys who called Putin the victim while talking with Zelensky...

[–] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 297 points 1 day ago (3 children)
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[–] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 250 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Someone should invade Rubio's house and demand the deed to one of his rooms before they'll leave.

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