For the love of God Europe, we need a world power that actually respects human rights, not outright rejects them like Russia, pretends to embrace like America, or outright rejects them while tankies pretend that China embraces them.
this post was submitted on 10 Mar 2025
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You're looking in the wrong place. Several EU members have far right leaders already, many more are moving right. The EU (and UK) are about 4 or 5 years behind the US. Don't confuse disagreement with Trump over Ukraine with meaningful ideological differences.
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We tried that a few times, and war/imperialism crimes.
But this time it will be diffident. We is evolved now.
(Never mind the rising support of the alt-right parties in the last decade.)
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Just for clarification, that's EU and not Europe. Yes, i'm in the hole in the center.
So, already a world power.
I think "World Power" is not that desirable. The US was a world power, look what they had to do and what culture they had to develop to become one. Same for the Soviets. Same for a surging China, becoming more imperialist by the day. Your emotions may tell you "yes!!!", but the reality is - it will not benefit you much, it will mostly benefit your rulers.
I'd rather have the power of the EU in service of getting a proper, international organisation like the UN capable enough to do its job.
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As an American with an insanely good job and life square in middle class, I'll fucking move over there in a heartbeat.
I wouldn't. The EU / Europe as it exists right now in 2025 might, and that's a definite might, look better than America but it's going to look very different in 10 to 20 years. Every nation in the EU is standing on an economic knife edge while waiting for their demographic bomb to go off.
The European rearmement that's being discussed makes it worse; when things go bad, and they will, they'll be armed up and ready to repeat their last 2,000 years of near constant warfare.
Unless your over 65 its quite likely that you'll see it happen in your lifetime.
Simply whip up an F35 program overnight. No big.
'old my cup of wine...
Just spin up the largest military manufacturing industry on the planet. Ez pz
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We've done that already a few times. After over 3000 years of empires must we really? Again? The Greek empire, the roman empire, the spanish empire, the holy roman empire, the dutch golden century, the British (largest globe spanning empire ever) and French empires, Austria Hungaria and I'm quite certain even Portugal had its day. And let's not forget Germany. Or the Soviet union and tsarist Russia. Also nice as far as empires go.
Anyway..
Sigh.
Fine.
But dont come crying if you dont like the outcome.
Pax Americana only ended because you guys voted for it. We where fine with it, hanging out, buying your shit. Using your tech.
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please don't try to do this again.