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[–] ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world 45 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

I can believe this. She seemed frustrated when she spoke about the Palestine situation, and I picked up a strong subject that she wanted to say more about her objections over Israel's actions than she did.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 40 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

Yeah, but that didnt bode well for her as a president...

She was the candidate, crowned with zero primary weeks before the election, with zero threat of being replaced.

But she stuck line by line to what Bidens team said

Buden's team that was Hillary's team, and before that Bill's team.

Kamala would have been an empty suit for the same neoliberal machine and she would have appointed the DNC chair back to that faction so they could influence the primary in four years.

If Kamala literally had to say exactly what her advisors said when she was literally irreplaceable, she would have been a president in name only.

Don't get me wrong, I held my nose and voted D like always, but I knew she was fucking it up, and long term that might have been for the best.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 26 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Tim Walz came out swinging, and they instantly sidelined him.

That alone was enough to say that the campaign was fucked.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 15 points 15 hours ago

Quick, hide Tim Walz, he's too popular with voters!

-Neoliberals apparently

I still want Ken Martin to publicly commit to ending the Victory Fund bullshit tho.

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[–] Loduz_247@lemmy.world 16 points 16 hours ago

Kamala was somewhat of a Zionist, but not enough to justify Israel's bombings. Because she wants a two-state solution, and if she had been president, she would probably criticize Netanyahu for his actions damaging Israel.

A strategy to avoid AIPAC considering you a threat.

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 12 hours ago

I don't know if I can buy that when the DNC refused to let anyone with even a hint of background from the middle east get a platform, and when a protest at a speech happened, she said "I am speaking." Not listening, speaking.

[–] Absaroka@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago

Just another example of how the Democratic party is only slightly less fucked than the Republicans.

[–] WatDabney@fedia.io 18 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

I'm calling bullshit on this.

There's no possible way that Biden or any of his people could let or not let Harris do anything. They had no actual control over her campaign.

The only outsiders who had any control over her campaign were the DNC and the party establishment - the same pieces of shit who torpedoed Sanders in 2016 and 2020,.

I'm 100% certain that this narrative is coming from them, trying to dodge the blame they so richly deserve by pinning it on the senile guy.

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[–] KoboldCoterie@pawb.social 20 points 16 hours ago

This is hilarious, because of Biden's "I'd have won if I was the candidate" bullshit. More like "Harris might have won if I wasn't hamstringing her", but okay, sure, Joe. Let's get you to bed, now.

[–] BertramDitore@lemm.ee 13 points 16 hours ago

Harris was the candidate, not Biden. Being his VP should have been a boon to her, but instead she turned it into her own biggest obstacle. It was ultimately her decision to follow Biden’s directions on this.

It’s not like the sitting president can order a party’s candidate to take certain policy positions, even if that candidate is the sitting VP. Biden deserves a ton of the blame for our current situation, but Harris was the candidate and she decided to follow Biden’s terrible advice. He’s just the stubborn geriatric who cared more about his legacy than the peoples’ future.

[–] verdantbanana@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

horseshit

she had multiple chances like at the DNC convention

[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 16 hours ago

"they puppeted me poorly"

[–] halfempty@fedia.io 11 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

Her position regarding Palestine and Israel cost her the election. Many Dems could not vote for her, so they didn't vote.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 2 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I'd really love for that to be the case (enough people caring about genocide to decide an election), but it just isn't. The data shows that people on the left still came out to vote and she lost a bunch of centrist votes or people who are seen as "low information"/unmotivated voters. Those people don't care about Palestine. They thought she was weird, or a DEI candidate, or just weren't inspired to get up and vote for her. I'm not saying she needs to go more centrist, but people like populism and she just didn't do it.

[–] cabb@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I can't remember the source, but the number 1 issue in every swing state other than Michigan (which had Palestine as its #1) among democrat nonvoters and centrists who voted republican was grocery prices. Most of those states had inflation as their number 2 issue and Palestine as the third. Palestine alone wouldn't have been enough to swing any state other than Michigan.

I think its pretty clear that the primary reason Kamala lost because she didn't present a vision for the economy. She literally just said that the economy is fine. Inflation and grocery prices? Ignore those!

Inflation maybe shouldn't have been as big of an issue since it was below 3% and on its way down but it was still a concern for a large number of voters.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 4 points 13 hours ago

I agree for the most part, but she did have some milquetoast neolib proposals that would have helped. Mostly things already seen in one form or another in Bidens build back better plan, but honestly it didn't matter. Her rhetoric was weak and her campaign was poorly managed. I saw SOOOO many ads requesting donations (lady, I don't have money to buy eggs and you're buying ad space, the optics are bad) and not one of them said anything of substance. I say time and again that Bernie got people to donate time and money they didn't have because they believed in his message. Kamala had no message. She had some plans, sure, but did not effectively communicate them. They were too little too late regardless, but it felt like her ads were lazy cash grabs that couldn't even be bothered to give out empty promises.

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[–] BigMacHole@lemm.ee 11 points 16 hours ago

The woman who refused to against what a Man said would have made a STRONG Leader!

[–] alkbch@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago

I don’t buy that. Harris has made her choice.

[–] meangreenbeans@lemmy.world 6 points 15 hours ago

Could’ve, should’ve, would’ve

[–] Rooskie91@discuss.online 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

As usual the democratic party fails because it's trying to be both progressive AND cater to wealthy donors. Those two things just don't go together. Either abandon the upper class, or resign yourself to diametrically opposed rhetoric that will NEVER win an election for the Dems.

[–] orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 16 hours ago

It's not remotely trying to be progressive. It's cosplaying as caring while raking in them donor dollars.

[–] dudinax@programming.dev 6 points 15 hours ago

Huh? He couldn't have stopped her. This is nonsense.

[–] Tempus_Fugit@midwest.social 5 points 15 hours ago

Yikes! This is a shit argument IMO. Biden wouldn't have broken from her if she stood strong on her own stances. This is a terrible look for her. More feckless establishment Dems acting like the controlled opposition they are.

I won't be voting for people like this in the future. I know many others that think like me too. That's going to be a huge problem for the Dem establishment. They're pushing progressive folks out and replacing them with no one.

[–] thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 16 hours ago

Smells like bullshit to me

[–] MCasq_qsaCJ_234@lemmy.zip 6 points 16 hours ago

So if Biden had allowed Kamala Harris to have her own narrative, would she have won the presidency?

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago (2 children)

When do I get to collect my payment for being right the entire time?

[–] eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 7 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

The day they admit they've been wrong the entire time. I hope you get interest on that bet because it'll be a while.

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[–] Sibshops@lemm.ee 3 points 16 hours ago

I doubt this. Harris had some controversial policy issues such as taxing uncapitalized gains which were breaks with the Biden administration.

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