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[–] toadjones79@lemm.ee 52 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Most of us are either completely deluded or utterly crushed by the collapse of our entire system of government. We know this is corrupt, and we want to organize to bring it to an end. But we have so many checks and balances that even if we all marched today with pitchforks and torches it wouldn't effect any real change without burning down every police station, city hall, state house, and the federal buildings. All while hoping the military doesn't show up and now us down with their weaponry. All the whole knowing that there has been a sharp rise in the popularity of police using violence and death as a deterrent.

In short, we know, and we can't see any way out of this mess. It wasn't supposed to be possible, and looking back we all saw it coming. But we were just dismissed as alarmists every time we spoke up and we are surrounded by morons who think this is the best thing that has ever happened to this national.

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[–] tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 2 days ago

It's been a rogue state for decades, they call it 'American Exceptionalism', and the 'patriotic Americans' are happy about it.

[–] modernangel@sh.itjust.works 20 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Lots and lots of people, actually. Many identify with the tough-talkin' images being projected, believing it's just what the world needs and that the magic sorting hat will assign them to the privileged class when the dust settles.

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[–] Irelephant@lemm.ee 16 points 2 days ago

Between the media surpression and the fact a lot of people don't follow the news, or give a shit, i'd say no.

[–] knightly@pawb.social 57 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Roughly half of the population has absolutely no clue what's going on. Kids, old people, non-news-readers/viewers, etc.

A third of the population is vaguely aware that some shit is going down based on vibes but can't identify the problem.

Half the remaining sixth can identify the problem as political but misattribute the cause. Leaving just a 12th of the population actually aware of our situation.

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[–] phubarr@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

We're successfully distracted by the more immediate personal problems they've created for us

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 2 days ago

Now? USA has been supporting a genocidal nuclear regime in palestine for decades. They've been threatening and attacking every state in the region. Total rogue.

[–] vvilld@lemmy.world 18 points 3 days ago (7 children)

Those of us who pay attention know.

However, the media ecosystem is INCREDIBLY conservative and pumps out the rah-rah jingoism whenever it can. Those of who just stick to the mainstream echochambers think the US is a bastion of freedom and peace.

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[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 67 points 3 days ago (18 children)

It largely depends on the location. For example, in the PNW, especially Western Washington and Oregon, people are very aware of that fact. Many around here are arming, protesting, and becoming more and more self sufficient.

For their part, the Washington State government has sued the Trump administration multiple times, and for now, has blocked some of the executive orders in federal court. Of course, that depends on Trump following court orders, which as we know, he's more than willing to ignore.

Meanwhile in states like Utah (where some of my family lives), they still have their heads in the sand, and don't seem to be bothered. Not to generalize, because some people there are aware, but they're outnumbered by the ignorant public there. Many people there who are aware are either trapped due to financial reasons or are actively trying to leave for blue states.

I have seen that some GOP voters are starting to feel the financial burn, but most of them still try to blame it on Biden.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This doesn't seem to be actually answering the question. The question was about how the US was perceived by other countries, not how Americans perceive their own government.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Are people in the US

Yes, go on...

aware that they are now definitely a rogue state

The question isn't your awareness of what the government is doing. It's your awareness of how the US is perceived by the rest of the world. A rogue state is "a nation that is considered very dangerous to other nations". To answer that question, you have to reference other nations views on the US.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think I agree, and many in the thread didn't get that idea. People outside of the US are obviously aware, the title is clearly asking if people inside of the United States are aware. Why would someone outside of the US have to ask if people outside of the US are aware? It makes no sense.

also (emphasis mine):

people in the US aware that they are a rogue state

It makes no grammatical sense if they're asking about opinions outside of the US.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

How can you be this confused?

You're basically proving the point of this meme.

The question is basically "Are Americans aware of how the world perceives them?"

Possible answers to that question are: "Yes, I read DW news in English, and BBC news too. I'm aware of how the world perceives the US." Or "No, I can imagine how the world must view the US, but I only read US news so I can only guess."

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I don't think I'm the confused one here, to be honest with you, as shown by the other answers and upvotes in this thread. You do not have to specify non-US news to know that we're a rogue state - plenty of US media reports on it all the same. The question is clearly asking if Americans are aware that they're now a rogue state, and I answered appropriately.

It seems like maybe you don't want that to be the case, but my answer still stands: Yes, many Americans, especially in the PNW, are very aware of that fact. Americans in red states [the ones who watch Fox news especially] have their heads in the sand. You do not need to consume any media at all to be aware of that fact, it helps, but you don't require it to acknowledge it.

I fully understand and acknowledge that we're seen as a rogue state externally, and am painfully aware, as is much of the PNW. It's the red states that think "we're the best country in the world, and in fact, the only one that matters", which is exactly what my first comment was describing. People in blue states are rightfully embarrassed and are trying to distance themselves from the federal government for precisely this reason.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think I'm the confused one here, to be honest with you, as shown by the other answers and upvotes in this thread

Yes, other people were confused. That doesn't mean that you're not confused.

The question is clearly asking if Americans are aware that they're now a rogue state, and I answered appropriately.

No, what you answered was "How do Americans feel about being a rogue state?" That's a completely different question, even though it's the one most people answered.

I fully understand and acknowledge that we're seen as a rogue state externally

The question was whether Americans in general understood and acknowledged that. I would say no, because most Americans don't follow foreign news sources. People who are getting their news from Fox News, OANN and Newsmax are probably not aware of that. Instead, they probably think the US is even more respected than ever.

Once again, this is why I didn't generalize and said that the PNW is well aware of that fact, and red states have their heads in the sand. I'm not sure how many times I need to say that to make it clear to you that I answered the question appropriately. I specified how Americans are feeling to back my statement of them being aware or not. Do you think the PNW, in general, gets their news from right wing news sources?

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[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 51 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

The fascists own all the media organizations. The population has been taught systematically since birth to have unyielding blind faith in the institutions of the state and capital. Many won't understand that anything unusual is happening until they're hungry and cold, burying empty caskets for their drafted children sent to die in fascist wars of conquest.

[–] merc@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago

This is the closest anybody in the thread has actually come to answering the question. The full answer is that Americans almost never consult non-American news sources, so of course they're not aware of how they're perceived in the rest of the world.

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[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 20 points 3 days ago

Are people in the us aware... No!

[–] xenomor@lemmy.world 31 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I hope that people outside the US are aware of how quickly the rhetoric is shifting within the US. The right wing machine is rapidly spinning up a normalization of the ideas that: the US doesn’t need allies at all, the US has zero obligation to abide by international treaties, and the rest of the world is available for us to take. By β€˜take’ I mean utter economic dominion and/or military conquest and/or territorial annexation.

The speed at which things are deteriorating here is shocking. An imperial US is a terrifying prospect. This deranged, entitled joke of a country has both an effectively endless supply of armaments and a depraved indifference to the suffering of people abroad and here at home.

The world has a metastasizing US problem.

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