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[โ€“] stormdahl@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Are there any companies working on something like that?

[โ€“] skozzii@lemmy.ca 116 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Do it! Canada will come play too.

We could add credit cards to the Interac system.

[โ€“] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 11 points 1 week ago

That's a great idea. I'd welcome a new option!

[โ€“] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 96 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

Would be spectacular if they make an alternative that does not rely on commercial banks so that having a for-profit bank account isn't required to be able to pay for things electronically. Just like you don't need that with cash. This is something central banks can provide to the citizens of their country. If commercial banks want people's money, they better give an incentive. Currently they get it just so people can access the electronic payment systems.

But if course that's unlikely because commercial banks won't just let themselves be cut out of the sweet deal they got now.

[โ€“] pipes@sh.itjust.works 38 points 1 week ago

At least most European banks are happy to cut out the American middlemen (Visa and Mastercard) since they're eating part of the cost, and we already have the infrastructure in place and working, it's called "instant SEPA bank transfer", most newer accounts offer it for free. The problem is the lack of political will to accelerate that indipendence and to stop hemorraging money (roughly 0.5% per transaction!)

Then as people learn to use it they'll hopefully also stop using Paypal (another American company) when sending money to someone, or getting tracked in general every single time they use their debit card.

[โ€“] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

There's also credit unions.

Knowing your nationality, some Canadian provinces do have a public bank too, like ATB in Alberta.

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[โ€“] alfredon996@feddit.it 12 points 1 week ago

Digital euro is the solution

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[โ€“] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 57 points 1 week ago (5 children)

I would like this. I enjoy playing hentai games, but MasterVisa bans or alters the games by denying their services to creators and stores alike. This is an affront to free speech.

[โ€“] TheBloodFarts@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

For real? What the f that's absurd

[โ€“] SabinStargem@lemmy.today 16 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yup. For example, the game "Seeds of Chaos" had to change their introduction on account of demons trying to corrupt the protagonists through blackmail, and the removal of the minotaur scenes.

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[โ€“] Formfiller@lemmy.world 48 points 1 week ago (12 children)

California, Oregon, Washington and Hawaii would also like to request EU status and new non facist payment methods

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[โ€“] Kidplayer_666@lemm.ee 39 points 1 week ago (10 children)

HEY GUYS! YOULL NEVER GUESS. Portugal already has such a platform! Even Romania has started using it!

[โ€“] jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de 70 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Everyone and their cousins have their own platform. That's the issue. No one wants to standardize on someone else's alternative so the incumbents reign supreme.

[โ€“] NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Is a federation of different platforms not possible? Warning: I know absolutely nothing about this.

[โ€“] WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It's technically possible, guaranteed.

The problem is capitalism. Every company is too selfish, and every government too neoliberal, to build some at cost publicly-owned globally interoperable payment system.

Even now, the buy EU movement is largely just replacing US-oligarchy-owned services with EU-oligarchy-owned services. It's better than funding the American nazi party, but it's not a long term solution.

[โ€“] b_tr3e@feddit.org 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is more going into the direction of feudalism than just capitalism. A million tiny realms and every one keen of keeping their population locked in and uninformed about the outside world. I think there's even a name for it: technofeudalism.

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[โ€“] intheformbelow@lemmy.world 34 points 1 week ago

I hope Canada and Mexico can join. It's time to start bankrupting murican companies.

[โ€“] bus_factor@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Most card transactions in Norway go through a local system called BankAxept, and have for decades. A lot of Norwegians don't even know, because the same cards also support VISA, and they think that's what they're using.

[โ€“] barsoap@lemm.ee 16 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Same in Germany with the girocard system. Key feature is that there's no real intermediary, it's a standard the banking sector came up with to easily authorise ordinary bank transfers. Online shopping was never an issue in Germany push come to shove you just wire them the money.

And I have no fucking idea why the EPI is launching a whole phone-based system instead/before standardising debit card infrastructure. That app offers literally nothing that I can't already do with my card and bank app on my phone short of a wallet and why the hell would I want that I already have a giro account. And why would I want to send money to a telephone number instead of an IBAN. What kind of stuff are those people on that they think that's a feature.

But at least the general structure of the EPI is similar to how girocard came about: A consortium of banks, public, cooperative, private, coming up with interoperability standards. Germany has like 1400 banks (and that's after a lot of mergers), most of them only serving a district or larger town and surrounding villages for those there was never an alternative to working with each other and the over-regional banks jumped on to not be left out.

Sometimes, all you need is some marketing. E.g. it's been possible to print out a QR code with your account info so you can receive transactions at a flea market for ages (in lieu of having your phone display it and people scanning from there), and ever since SEPA instant payment it's basically cash, as far as the seller is concerned.

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[โ€“] pyre@lemmy.world 25 points 1 week ago (2 children)

with all the transactions all around the world can you imagine the money they're making by doing literally nothing and if this move is successful how much money they stand to lose? I would be surprised if they were not literally talking to hitmen right now.

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[โ€“] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago

All for it! The orange fucking idiot is fusing the EU.

[โ€“] TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Does using Google wallet give any fee to Google?

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[โ€“] schnapspraline@lemmy.world 12 points 1 week ago (8 children)

Dโ‚ฌ will hopefully replace them. Important FAQ

[โ€“] sudneo@lemm.ee 9 points 1 week ago

I have a friend who works on this project. Still years away, but they are at least thinking very hard of not having US dependencies since the last months. I don't have much trust in some people involved though (exactly because for many this was not an issue until a few weeks ago).

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