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While Canadians are using "elbows up" diplomacy with the white house, they are welcoming U.S. tourists with open arms.

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[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 57 points 5 days ago (8 children)

While I welcome tourists, I worry for them. Now doesn't seem like a good time to leave the US with plans to go back; you may just not be permitted to return, citizenship or not.

[–] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 20 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

This is my biggest fear tbh. I have friends I'd love to see in plenty of places, but leaving isn't the worry. Coming back is, especially being trans with a passport of my correct gender marker

Only to then be disappeared into Federal custody, have my updated birth certificate deemed illegitimate and shipped off to God knows where

[–] AJ1@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago

as a dual citizen living in Canada, I won't be visiting family for at least 4 years. this asshole is ruining everything for everybody. it's hard to believe the amount of damage he's done in 12 weeks

[–] Revan343@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

That sounds like a win to me

[–] Darkassassin07@lemmy.ca 18 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Not if you left all your family, friends, and assets behind (car, house, valuables, etc) with plans to return.

Now your stuck in a foreign country essentially seeking asylum unexpectedly.

It my be fine for some, but most people aren't prepared to suddenly uproot their entire lives with 0 warning or planning.

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[–] CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 69 points 5 days ago

[…]it's not about the Canadians or Americans. This is about one guy. That will not stop them from coming,”

It’s about 70 million people, and the additional 80 million who were silent.

[–] thesohoriots@lemmy.world 45 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I’ve always wanted to go visit our neighbors to the north, but honestly, I’m now scared of just trying to return. Much love to you all in Canada.

[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 24 points 5 days ago (1 children)

There are worse things than being stuck in Canada.

[–] lobut@lemmy.ca 35 points 5 days ago

I thought the implication was being detained or jailed by US officials going back, like being sent to an El Salvador prison.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Seleni@lemmy.world 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

We’re aware you all are having a housing crisis. It wouldn’t be fair to dump a lot more of that issue on you.

Although I would certainly love to move up there if I had a choice.

[–] AlecSadler@sh.itjust.works 6 points 5 days ago

We're having a housing cost issue, but despite all reports saying there is a shortage of houses - I don't know if I believe it. Maybe in specific areas and maybe of a certain type.

But everywhere around me houses are sitting and sitting and sitting until the sellers lower the price enough that someone buys it.

[–] rbesfe@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

American citizens haven't been getting detained at the border like people from outside the states and I doubt they ever will be. Secret police can just scoop you up on the streets if they really want to go after you

[–] pneumatron@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago

Yet. Apparently the Fanta Menace is exploring ways to do just that.

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[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 46 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (8 children)

I've definitely thought about it, but am currently far too embarrassed to be a US tourist, especially in Canada. I really should, though, I'd much rather give Canada my money than the US.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 33 points 5 days ago (1 children)

The correct feeling is shame. We should be ashamed of this country and its people.

[–] AmbiguousProps@lemmy.today 25 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

Don't worry, I have that too. My feelings lately have been a mix of shame, embarrassment, and depression. Oh, and rage, how could I forget.

[–] voluble@lemmy.ca 14 points 5 days ago (8 children)

No worries eh, we get it. Come on over!

Plus, if you need to buy absolutely anything, enjoy a nice discount on our non-tariffed goods - iphones, spices, car tires, fill your boots.

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago

If you do, just be vocal with

I'd much rather give Canada my money than the US.

Canadians know it's not necessarily the citizens, but the one in control. Don't wear any flag clothes, be polite and nobody will care much less notice.

[–] chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Just don’t wear an American flag on anything and you’ll be fine!

[–] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 9 points 5 days ago (4 children)

And say 'please', 'thank-you', and 'sorry'. And hold open doors. We'll never know.

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[–] Botzo@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago (2 children)
[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 8 points 5 days ago (1 children)

In addition to what these articles recommend, you should turn off your device before going through customs. If you decide to power it on or not, that's up to you. However, you should NOT unlock it for the first time.

Your phone (either android or iPhone) forensically has two states - BFU (before first unlock) and AFU (after first unlock). You may not think this is a big difference but it's actually huge. After your device has its first unlock it's much more susceptible to forensic data extraction. The BFU state on several devices is, as far as publicly known, immune to AFU extraction with Cellebrite. Naturally older devices or those that weren't designed with security in mind are susceptible in either state.

Look into GrapheneOS and their user forum if you want to learn more about this as well as what devices have decent protection against forensic data extraction

tl,dr - power off and optionally back on your phone but don't do the first login if you want to deny your device being searched or at least to make it as difficult and as expensive as possible for your data to be extracted forensically.

Source - I'm a cybersecurity professional

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago

There's an Android app on the Play store that will reboot your phone on a timer. It doesn't need root, but because of that it's a little wonky. But it does work. My phone reboots every night now.

[–] grue@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)
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[–] spongebue@lemmy.world 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I have a good friend in Canada (Saskatchewan) who has visited us in the States a couple times now. Thinking of doing the drive up this summer to visit her and support the Canadian economy (even if just a little) for a change. If I do, I'll probably tape a sign next to my Colorado license plate that at the very least says "sorry!"

[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago

lol. Do it. That'll win hearts.

[–] rxbudian@lemmy.ca 1 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just don't be miffed if Americans does the same thing and not come to Canada. They would be responding to what we're doing.
We all should be understanding that most of us didn't want this to happen and hunker down and wait for better times

[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

Yes, it'll be interesting to see if there's an increase or decrease.

[–] Witchfire@lemmy.world 10 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

Moving there soon. Never ever gonna call myself an American. This country is an embarrassment.

I'd rather call myself by my country of birth, or even the state I live in

[–] Quilotoa@lemmy.ca 7 points 5 days ago (4 children)

I noticed that often, when traveling, people from the U.S. will say the state they're from rather than the country. I've often wondered why.

[–] happydoors@lemm.ee 10 points 5 days ago (3 children)

I think it’s because the United States is a large place and it helps place the region/culture they’re from specifically.

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[–] cooperativesrock@lemm.ee 8 points 5 days ago

Well, part of it is that almost every time I've said "The States" when asked that question in Europe they look at me like 'no shit Sherlock I'm not an idiot' and then ask where in the States. So it may be an efficiency thing for some. I still try to lead with the States as my answer.

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In 2018 my partner and two of our dearest friends traveled in Canada for 2 weeks. It was an amazing trip. Amazing nature, fantastic food, and the locals were lovely. Canada is fucking awesome.

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