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[–] janus2@lemmy.sdf.org 107 points 6 days ago (2 children)

if someone cared enough about my research to even replicate it let alone disprove it I'd be losing my shit

[–] rippermonty@feddit.uk 6 points 6 days ago

I'll find it and put it on your doorstep.

[–] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 5 points 6 days ago

What’s it about?

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 6 days ago

"boy i wish anyone bothered to even skim my paper to make sure i didn't make an obvious math error"

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

*If you challenge my ~~feelings~~ profits, I'll sue.

[–] MetalMachine@feddit.nl 9 points 6 days ago

We need to push more for good science because a lot of times there is a ton of pressure to produce research and go along with the current established theories instead of being able to challenge them.

[–] vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 6 days ago

There's really only failing, then learning, then death

My kids have me listening to way too much Disney music lately....

I really don't like this "no true scotsman" flavored meme, the profit incentive destroys valuable research by limiting resources to replications of past experiments (as soon as something is profitable, you must not disprove it for a fear of retaliation from companies promoting said something), this is systemic, not an individual level problem, get rid of "bad scientists" and more will be propped up.

I do like the sentiment of the meme though, more more replication is needed.

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 3 points 6 days ago

To make this meme work I am assuming pseudoscience are your flat eathers, anti-vaxxers, anyone who publishes bogus papers to push an agenda. Their experiments are replicated, produce completely different results to contradict their hypothesis and these pseudoscientists simply refuse to accept the data produced after sound methods are used and verified. They end up becoming zealots about it too.A hypothesis being wrong is not bad at all but their own personalities prevent them from accepting it.

[–] 58008@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Eric Weinstein has left the chat in tears.

[–] JimmyKerr@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago
[–] twice_hatch@midwest.social 0 points 6 days ago

Mistress has failed more times than the student has had chances

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 135 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Having your findings disproven isn't failing though right? You still added to the body of knowledge because we know more stuff. I'm not a scientist though so I could be wrong. Pseudoscientists add nothing and just do harm though.

If all is being done on the up and up, nobody's got an agenda to push, they're actually doing science: no. Doing an experiment, publishing results, and then having your peers replicate your experiment and be unable to reproduce your results is not failure. In the words of Adam Savage, "It's not 'my experiment failed,' it's 'my experiment yielded data.'" But also, if one scientist gets a result and no one else does, the real thing we learn might be in finding out why.

REPEAT is a part of the scientific process.

[–] brokenlcd@feddit.it 89 points 1 week ago (1 children)

No work is wasted if it gives a clearer picture of something. Even if you get disproven, it just means that you found one of the dark parts of the picture. Now sure, people mostly remember the ones that discover the brighter parts of the image. But the whole picture is still made of both the dark and bright parts. We don't just need to know what works, we also need to know for sure what DOESN'T work. Or else we'll never know the real bounds of something.

Now if you don't mind, i'll go back to slamming my head against analysis.

[–] Septimaeus@infosec.pub 6 points 6 days ago

Slammed! Also cool metaphor.

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[–] Allero@lemmy.today 74 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Ideally? Yes

But a modern scientific environment puts a lot of pressure to present your results better than they really are.

It damages good science a great deal

[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

In my opinion, the obsession with being able to measure everything with numbers is the cause. And those numbers are inevitably converting d to units of money, because capitalism.

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)
[–] kureta@lemmy.ml 19 points 6 days ago (2 children)

There was a rule of sorts. All metrics become goals or something like that.

[–] wolframhydroxide@sh.itjust.works 22 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

"When a measure becomes a target, it ceases to be a good measure."

This is why p-hacking and searching huge databases for anything with a correlation to a desirable (or undesirable) trait are simultaneously so prevalent, and so damaging.

[–] zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 6 days ago

over fitting, but people

[–] 5in1k@lemm.ee 70 points 1 week ago (9 children)

Have you ever seen the history of science? Left is absolutely not true to the point that we’ve had to wait for powerful scientists to die to get the progress they’ve held back entered to record.

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

A course I took in undergrad on the history and philosophy of science really stayed with me, and is a really helpful way of understanding how science actually works.

Karl Popper wrote the revolutionary work The Logic of Scientific Discovery, which proposed that what separated science from pseudoscience as whether the discipline actually makes predictions that can be proven wrong, and whether it changes its own rules when it observes exceptions to those rules.

Well, Thomas Kuhn came along and wrote The Structure of Scientific Revolutions, which argued that not all scientific theories were equally falsifiable. Kuhn argued that science actually tolerated a lot of anomalous observations without actually rejecting the discipline's own paradigms or models. In Kuhn's view, scientists performed "normal science" by accumulating knowledge under an established paradigm, including tolerating observed anomalies, until someone would have to come along and use the accumulated anomalies to actually propose something revolutionary that breaks a lot of previous models, and throws away a lot of the work that came before, in a scientific revolution. Under Kuhn's description, science is quite resistant to criticism or falsifiability under the "normal science" periods, even if it accepts that revolutions are occasionally necessary.

The prominent example was that Mercury's orbit didn't quite fit Newton's theory of gravity, and astronomers and physicists kept trying to rework the formula on the edges without actually challenging the core paradigm. For decades, astronomers simply shrugged their shoulders and said that they knew that the motion of Mercury tended to drift from the predictive model, but they didn't have anything better to turn to, if they were to reject Newtonian gravity. It wasn't until Einstein's general relativity that scientists did have something better, and learning that Einstein's theory works even when near a large gravity well was revolutionary.

Others include the phlogiston theory of combustion that persisted for a bit even after it was measured that combustion of metallic elements increased the mass of the resulting burned stuff, as if phlogiston had negative mass.

Imre Lakatos tried to bridge the ideas of Popper and Kuhn, by observing that each discipline had their own "Research Programs" that weren't necessarily compatible with others in their own field. Quantum physics was aware of cosmology/relativity, and it didn't much matter that these two sets of theories and research methods had different scopes, and contradicted each other at times. But each Research Program had its own "hard core" that was not subject to questioning or challenge, while most scientists did the work in the "protective belt" around that core. And even when a particular Research Program gets battered by a series of contradictory observations, it's perfectly rational for scientists in that field to rally in defense of that hard core to see if it can be revived, at least for a time until that defense becomes untenable. In a sense, Lakatos described the fields where Kuhn's "normal science" and "revolutionary science" actually happened, and how Popper's falsifiability criterion fit into each space.

Paul Feyerabend also added a lot of color to these theories, too. He described the tenacity of ideas as being driven by more than simple falsifiability, but also of just how attractive of an idea it was. In his descriptions, ideas basically fought for popularity on many different metrics, and the sterile ideas of falsifiability didn't actually account for how ideas compete in the marketplace, even among allegedly rational scientists.

So yeah, this comic is basically Karl Popper's views. The world as a whole, though, has definitely moved on from that definition trying to demarcate between science and pseudoscience.

[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 8 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, the right is how science unfortunately works. My professor told me that science progresses one death at a time. We argued in various papers that the terminology in our field was really messy and didn't hold up to actual findings, but the old generation of scientists didn't want to allow any changes. In most research fields there are a few scientists that hold a position of power and that don't like sharing that power.

Reading Ursula Le Guin's The Dispossessed and her idea of an anarchist world caught me off guard when she starts exploring exactly this problem in science...

[–] Zoboomafoo@slrpnk.net 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I'm adding that to my reading list, thanks.

[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The Dispossessed

You should put it near the top. lol I just told someone else to read it yesterday irl.

[–] BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Would you recommend the book?

[–] flora_explora@beehaw.org 3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

1000%!! Over the years I've lent it to various people and they all loved it very much. It has been the most influential book for me regarding how I view society, capitalism and anarchism.

Saved your comment, hopefully won't take too long before i find time to read that book :)

[–] mineralfellow@lemmy.world 1 points 6 days ago

Yeah, my first thought when I saw this was that it was definitely not made by a scientist.

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