So torture. Got it.
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What part of the prison system isn't torture?
We have collectively decided—and continue to decide—that punishment matters more than justice, rehabilitation, or humanity.
It's fucking disgraceful the way we treat our citizens.
It's pretty incredible how third world are penal system is.
We incarcerate so many people in the United States that the incarcerated is basically a country in and of itself.
More importantly it's just big business. Got to pay to make phone calls got to pay to send emails got to pay for food through the commissary. (Btw you pay per minute when making a call and per letter typed when making an email)
Someone is profiting off of it for sure.
Couple that with the fact that we emphasize punishment over everything else...
Prison should be a place for people that cannot function in society not necessarily for punishment. punishment for most crimes that people are in prison for can be handled outside of prison systems.
came here to say this. no food or bathrooms on the bus. no medical treatment (ie if you get injured by a guard). no entertainment, probably no talking. for several hours.
Having been in chains on a couple of these buses during my life, I can say this much from personal experience.
In NY, you get food when your prison bus ride is more then a few hours long. We would get a paper bag with two 'sandwiches', a couple greasy cookies/biscuts ( I couldn't tell for sure), and two little cups of juice. The 'sandwiches' where two slices of bread, some mystery deli meat, and some cheese. I do not recommend trying the recipe with the ingredients they use.
Didn't matter how far you where going, that was one bag per trip per person. The trips going long distance where on converted or custom built tour buses. The seats are like what you'll find in any city bus, hard with a layer of fabric over it for the barest bit of cusion. These prison buses usually had a bathroom, but you where told it was for peeing only.
There is anouther factor as well. For the vast majority of non-guard riders, you are chained to another person not of your choosing, for the duration of the ride. Even if one of you needs to use the small single occupant bathroom. I was, in a sense, lucky. I am a large person, and the handcuff-style leg chains would not fit on me, no matter how they tried my legs where just too large and thick and only bone or muscle, so not squishy like I saw some guys who had mostly thick fat on their legs. So instead, I got what the guards jokingly called the "elephant chains", just a single chain passed around my ankles and padlocked shut so I couldn't get out. But, it meant I didn't have a 'partner'. I could have used the bathroom by myself (although I didn't, since in handcuffs I didn't think anyone would aim very well) and I had a seat all to myself, since everyone else was already forced to buddy up.
There was no entertainment, but while the windows are very heavily tinted, you can see out of them from the inside, so at least it's possible to watch what's going by. That is either a blessing or a curse, depending on the person.
And yes, we where told no talking.
Thanks for sharing. I hope life is treating you better nowadays.
Probably no adequate ventilation either. I've heard of cops leaving people in the squad car in the sun for hours
Oh no, that depends on the bus. Long trips, the guards want comfort. Those buses usually have AC, maybe not pointed at the prisoners but at least the bus is cool in general. Short trips though, where the guards are up front and prisoners in the back and separate? Total crap shoot. I know this from some personal experience in the NYS system.
They do it to their own dogs all the time
I want prisons and police abolished and I don't care what happens next.
I don’t understand voluntary surrender at the correct place to avoid? Aren’t they all prison…?
If they have an outstanding warrant, they can surrender themselves at the prison they are meant to be incarcerated in. Otherwise they may get arrested in another state or town and be transported
Ah okay, thanks
I know there have been some instances of "bus therapy" for homeless people in my area.
As someone who did time in the feds.
Such fond memories
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There's another style of "Diesel therapy". On the ambulance when we need to get to the ER as quickly as possible. There are some times when we're out of options in the back of the rig and the patient will only survive with a surgeon or other specific technique we can't manage in the field.
Can you elaborate? I'm just not understanding for some reason
Pedal to the metal... Hit the gas... Go Fast!
The need to drive very fast, aka: use a lot of diesel fuel.
Not every ambulance transport needs "diesel therapy". Usually a smoother and easier ride works better.
Ahhhhhhh yeah that makes sense