I use both Windows and Mac machines for my audio work and while everything is consistently just 'plug and play' on my Mac, on the PC side I'm constantly fighting a losing battle with Windows ASIO audio driver issues, multi-monitor issues, Microsoft constantly asking me to make an account every 3 days...

For gaming, I love Windows. Still yet to find anything it does better and with less fuss than MacOS in a work environment though.

[–] Dreth@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I have to send files from my Mac to my PC in order to get them printed cause my old printer's driver won't work with the newer MacOS but they work fine on windows 11.

[–] azimir@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Printer support is hard mode for the IT support crew. An old printer is a minor miracle if you have working drivers.

[–] Jon-H558@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

if that's the case why do I still have to support XP as some shop floor measurement device still uses software from that, and support window 7 for the database of greases.

then the windows 10 to windows 11 project is taking 6months planning of impact assessments. Before we even have our first gold image

(pretty sure if we had let them the tool planning dept would still be running their windows 3.1 lotus suite

[–] Shift_@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Holy run-on sentence. Also it sounds like it's the measuring device that doesn't support newer the newer OS, not the other way around. Also migrating a database is possible, it just takes a ton of work.

[–] riskable@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, install your 25-year-old software on your 30-year-old NTFS filesystem (it's that old).

EDIT: I just looked it up and NTFS turns 30 on July 27th, 2023 LOL

[–] eltimablo@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Weren't they working on some database-like replacement for it a while ago?

[–] ikantolol@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

also the reason you can still find a dialogue window from like Win95 lol, people often whine how Windows doesn't look as pretty as MacOS, but I think that's just the price for crazy backwards compatibility.

if they remove those old elements, I'd bet people are gonna rage about how their old games or software no longer work.

[–] okawari@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

This has been a great boon to me. Whenever Apple upgrades Mac OS, I check my regional equivalent to craigslist for cheap music gear that stops working. Has worked twice for me. I got a really nice 24 channel audio interface for 20 bucks.

[–] rockslice@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

While not confirmed (AFAIK), it's likely we went from Windows 8 straight to 10. With 95/98 being so similar, it wasn't rare for software to recognize it by looking for "Windows 9" in the OS name.

[–] AnonTwo@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

My dosbox and multiple attempts to build VMs of windows 3.1 say this isn't completely true

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[–] TimeSquirrel@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

That's because somewhere deep inside every x64/x86 compatible processor is an 8086 from 1980. The architecture has more or less remained the same for 40 years with more and more shit piled on top.

You can literally still natively boot DOS from a floppy on a modern PC if you can get it to recognize and boot from a USB floppy drive and it has legacy boot enabled. You wont get very far without drivers for anything, but you'll get to the command prompt.

[–] Leer10@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

More than that tho, windows aims to preserve library compatibility with older software.

It's common for older games for Mac on the same architecture to break or become uninstallable on newer OS versions.

Edit: Fun rabbit hole time! Windows XP had a specific patch to allow Legoland to play with improper coding that was only removed in Windows 10 https://youtu.be/MToTEqoVv3I

[–] froh42@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Ideas for a new platform are still out there: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/developer/articles/technical/envisioning-future-simplified-architecture.html

[–] 14four@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Windows after launching the exe: Monitor flickers, mouse freezes and here is free blue screen!

[–] tomve_cz@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm playing first Doom (yeah that Doom from 1993) on my laptop with Win 10

[–] Supermuff@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

To be fair a pc playing doom isn't that impressive. That game runs on litterally everything

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[–] jannis@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I tried to install Civilization 2 from a CD on Windows 10. It didn't work.

[–] ikantolol@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

there's workaround but it's a pain in the ass... https://www.myabandonware.com/game/sid-meier-s-civilization-ii-453

basically

the game use old .bin disk file, you must convert it to .iso
mount the .iso
run the setup.exe to install Civilization II

[–] massive_bereavement@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

I'm unsure if this is doable with Windows, but when using wine there's a simple workaround for this:
https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=4849

Mostly it boils down to copy the whole civ2 directory as-is.

[–] printerjammed@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

For real. We run windows server R 2008 or something at work, never update it. Works like a dream with our other less ancient servers

[–] Dick_Justice@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Thaat can't possibly be secure... or can it?

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[–] e-ratic@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago

That's... not great

[–] misterchief117@kbin.social -1 points 2 years ago

@printerjammed Simply put, this is bad for so many reasons. Since you're likely going to reject any direct reasons why this is bad, I'll give you an analogy.

I'm going to take "and never update it" almost literally and assume you guys haven't installed security patches since you first installed it, or stopped at some point long ago.

You're essentially driving a 15 year old car that hasn't had an oil change, brakes changed, or tires changed. There are known MAJOR safety recalls on the seat belts, airbags, and seats. You have refused to take your car in for free servicing under the recall and basically said, "It's working fine now. It's not worth the hassle scheduling an appointment at the mechanic. I'll take my chances."

But hey, "The car still gets me around and fits in my garage" you smugly think to yourself. "Why should I do anything different? It's MY car and I'm only endangering myself here."

Nope. Your car is endangering everyone else on the road. Bad brakes and tires are major risks for everyone around you. You can easily lose control and hurt or kill others on the road.

Bad seats, seat belts, and airbags means that occupants of your vehicle (your companies clients) can be injured or killed if they fail. Even if only YOURS fails, well...you're the driver. Also, if you do crash and your seat belt fails, you're now a projectile in the car and can injure or kill other passengers. I've seen this happen too many times as a firefighter and an EMT. Unseatbelted occupants are an enormous hazard.

Suffice to say your company is a vector for major attacks and vulnerabilities that not only will affect you, but your clients and potentially countless others who have nothing to do with your company since your server could be part of a botnet for all you know.

"bUt We HaVe OtHeR sEcUrItY cOnTrOlS aNd PrOpEr PrOtOcOlS fOr...." I'm going to cut you off here and straight up say: No. You don't. The fact you still have Windows Server 2008 installed and refuse to even update it tells me enough about your entire IT department and policies.

@snixyz

[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world -2 points 2 years ago

Oh look, OP never used a Mac but he’s hating on it.

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