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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

(Credit and/or blame to David Gerard for starting this.)

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[–] dgerard@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago (2 children)

yet again, you can bypass LLM "prompt security" with a fanfiction attack

https://hiddenlayer.com/innovation-hub/novel-universal-bypass-for-all-major-llms/

not Pivoting cos (1) the fanfic attack is implicit in building an uncensored compressed text repo, then trying to filter output after the fact (2) it's an ad for them claiming they can protect against fanfic attacks, and I don't believe them

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I think unrelated to the attack above, but more about prompt hack security, so while back I heard people in tech mention that the solution to all these prompt hack attacks is have a secondary LLM look at the output of the first and prevent bad output that way. Which is another LLM under the trench coat (drink!), but also doesn't feel like it would secure a thing, it would just require more complex nested prompthacks. I wonder if somebody is just going to eventually generalize how to nest various prompt hacks and just generate a 'prompthack for a LLM protected by N layers of security LLMs'. Just found the 'well protect it with another AI layer' to sound a bit naive, and I was a bit disappointed in the people saying this, who used to be more genAI skeptical (but money).

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[–] gerikson@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Inside baseball, and I don't really have a dog in this fight, but LW is crowing over a legal loss for RationalWiki

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/KW5tjMmTqsoRa6zrd/pablo-s-shortform?commentId=wB9jcCPrXzNCLCQXL

They link to a TracingWoodgrain(!) tweet which is basically just a screenshot of a talk page

https://xcancel.com/tracewoodgrains/status/1913717061626347642

I don't know the significance of this, if any. I don't recognize the names of any of the plaintiffs(?) in the screenshot, so I find it a bit amusing that probably the only google juice they had were RW.

[–] Soyweiser@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Ah that is a bit sad, I often link to Rationalwiki as it properly documents several far right people. (no idea about the people listed here, never heard of them). And seeing people defend/use the twg article is a bit sad. But I'm not going to repeat what what I said about that bullshit here before already. Anyway, typical Rationalism rationalization bullshit.

E: seems the problem is that RW is in a SLAPP suits allowed state and has little money. Of course the anti-RW people will use this loss to claim that RW is actually defamatory.

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 9 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But I’m not going to repeat what what I said about that bullshit here before already

Yeah, I didn't write at truly Rationalist length about it, but I did spend longer than was healthy.

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago

The closest I could find to an official statement is at the bottom here:

We are under advisement from counsel not to discuss any ongoing litigation in public at this time. We'll let you know the status of the current issues when we are able to. Your patience and understanding are most appreciated.

Further up the page, an IP editor says that another user is probably TW; the user in question has since been blocked for "ban evasion". Dunno what that's about.

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[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago (3 children)

"Columbia student suspended over interview cheating tool raises $5.3M to ‘cheat on everything’"

https://bsky.app/profile/hypervisible.bsky.social/post/3lne5zqaxyc2c

[–] antifuchs@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago

I’m sure whoever put money into that venture will see dramatically amazing returns, now there’s a founder that will not take the money and run.

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[–] smiletolerantly@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Not the usual topic around here, but a scream into the void no less....

Andor season 1 was art.

Andor season 2 is just... Bad.

All the important people appear to have been replaced. It's everything - music, direction, lighting, sets (why are we back to The Volume after S1 was so praised for its on-location sets?!), and the goddamn shit humor.

Here and there, a conversation shines through from (presumably) Gilroy's original script, everything else is a farce, and that is me being nice.

The actors are still phenomenal.

But almost no scene seems to have PURPOSE. This show is now just bastardizing its own AESTHETICS.

What is curious though is that two days before release, the internet was FLOODED with glowing reviews of "one of the best seasons of television of all time", "the darkest and most mature star wars has ever been", "if you liked S1, you will love S2". And now actual, post-release reviews are impossible to find.

Over on reddit, every even mildly critical comment is buried. Seems to me like concerted bot actions tbh, a lot of the glowing comments read like LLM as well.

Idk, maybe I'm the idiot for expecting more. But it hurts to go from a labor-of-love S1 which felt like an instruction manual for revolution, so real was what it had to say and critique, to S2 "pew pew, haha, look, we're doing STAR WARS TM" shit that feels like Kenobi instead of Andor S1.

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[–] maol@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago

That Couple are in the news arís. surprisingly, the racist, sexist dog holds opinions that a racist, sexist dog could be expected to hold, and doesn't think poor people should have more babies. He does want Native Americans to have more babies, though, because they're "on the verge of extinction", and he thinks of cultural groups and races as exhibits in a human zoo. Simone Collins sits next to her racist, sexist dog of a husband and explains how paid parental leave could lead to companies being reluctant to hire women (although her husband seems to think all women are good for us having kids).

This gruesome twosome deserve each other: their kids don't.

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 8 points 2 weeks ago
[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 8 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Found a thread doing numbers on Bluesky, about Google's AI summaries producing hot garbage (as usual):

[–] blakestacey@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Also on the BlueSky-o-tubes today, I saw this from Ketan Joshi:

Used [hugging face]'s new tool to multiply 2 five digit numbers

Chatbot: wrong answer, 0.3 watthours

Calc: right answer, 0.00000011 watthours (2.5 million times less energy)

[–] froztbyte@awful.systems 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Julien Delavande , an engineer at AI research firm Hugging Face , has developed a tool that shows in real time the power consumption of the chatbot generating

gnnnnnngh

this shit pisses me off so bad

there's actually quantifiable shit you can use across vendors[0]. there's even some software[1] you can just slap in place and get some good free easy numbers with! these things are real! and are usable!

"measure the power consumption of the chatbot generating"

I'm sorry you fucking what? just how exactly are you getting wattage out of openai? are you lovingly coaxing the model to lie to you about total flops spent?

[0] - intel's def been better on this for a while but leaving that aside for now..

[1] - it's very open source! (when I last looked there was no continual in-process sampling so you got hella at-observation sampling problems; but, y'know, can be dealt with)

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[–] o7___o7@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Show HN: AI Paying with Bitcoin and Lightning – A Working Demo

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43770953

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[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago

New piece from Tante: Forcing the world into machines, a follow-on to his previous piece about the AI bubble's aftermath

[–] BlueMonday1984@awful.systems 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

New piece from the Wall Street Journal: We Now Know How AI ‘Thinks’—and It’s Barely Thinking at All (archive link)

The piece falls back into the standard "AI Is Inevitable™" at the end, but its still a surprisingly strong sneer IMO.

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