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[–] GrassCat@lemmy.world 251 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (18 children)

Elissa Slotkin IS the oligarchy. She is the Hot Dog Princess. Her grandpa owned BallPark Franks—subsidiary of the Tyson Foods megacorp. Every time someone eats a hot dog, Elissa gets more passive income than most folks earn from a year’s labor.

[–] Blackout@fedia.io 65 points 2 days ago (1 children)

She sucks, I voted for Harper in the primaries but the Dems are full of neo-libs like her. It's hard to see that party go more liberal even with Sander's and AOC's help

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[–] jimjam5@lemmy.world 41 points 1 day ago

And this is why we need more decent folk around the country like AOC to run for any and all offices.

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 187 points 2 days ago (4 children)

"Not resonating with voters"

Bernie and AOC's "Fighting Oligarchy" campaign is pulling in more people to their rallies than attended Obama's in 08.

Don't peddle that horseshit you Liberal traitor.

[–] metaldream@sopuli.xyz 17 points 1 day ago

She's so full of shit. The number 1 issue in every 2024 poll of swing voters was the economy and inflation. That's why Trump won. When people think the economy sucks, the incumbent party almost always loses.

All this bullshit about "woke" is just another attempt by the ultra wealthy to distract from economic issues, because they know the solutions for them hurt their bottom line. She and her GOP allies will do anything to stop us from improving labor rights and economic conditions for ordinary people.

She's a lying weakling backstabber.

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[–] anas@lemmy.world 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Outsider opinion: There are two sides who haven’t voted for you, one side who says they’ll vote for you if you change, and another side who says they’ll never vote anything but red. There seems to be an obvious vote to go after.

[–] toolverine@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Capitulation to the right hasn't worked for 20 years. The Third Way is dead and no one respects it.

[–] BeautifulMind@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not only do we not respect it, we hate it with the heat of a thousand suns

[–] The_Caretaker@lemm.ee 11 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Yep, I voted for the Green Party, for this very reason, and all I get from people is criticism. Democrats who don't oppose fascism aren't worth voting for. If they want to be Blue MAGA they can go after Trump's voters and see where that gets them.

[–] skisnow@lemmy.ca 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good for you. What people from the "a vote for third party is a vote for Trump" camp don't understand is that the two-party system is exactly how fascism was able to become standard Republican Party policy in the first place.

A decent multi-party democracy would have enabled traditional non-fascist conservatives to break off into their own party whilst still holding seats in Congress, but instead we've got a whole party full of people who denounced Trump as a fascist way back in 2014 but have now kissed the ring. Likewise parties like the Greens would be able to enjoy votes from the millions of people who agree with all their policies, and be able to have members speaking and voting in Congress.

But the only way any of this can happen is if people stop being so short-sighted about every single election, and stop trying to whip each other into toeing the line of a demonstrably pisspoor party.

[–] gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What people from the "a vote for third party is a vote for Trump" camp don't understand is...

You're completely correct and all, it it's even simpler than that:

They regularly tell me that the millions of votes Dems lost in CA in 24 vs 20 are all also responsible for Trump, despite the massive margin he still lost by here. They're willfully ignorant of how our elections work so they can be mad at large groups indiscriminately

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[–] conditional_soup@lemm.ee 33 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The only reason the party has the woke reputation is that empty lip service is really all they had left. People like this need to get a fucking clue. If people want to vote for republicans, they will never ever ever get confused and accidentally vote for democrats just because you mirrored their policies from 12-20 years ago.

[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (2 children)

empty lip service is really all they had left

That’s all there ever was. They never did jack or shit to help LGBT people in southern states.

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[–] Krauerking@lemy.lol 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

Sure stop pandering to the wealthy and make plans to support and lift the general populace in all areas and you will stop being "woke".
And guess what, the best way to pay for it is to get the fair share of taxes back from those that are avoiding paying completely by paying lawmakers privately.

Wow, so easy, much fun.

[–] Formfiller@lemmy.world 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)
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[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 163 points 2 days ago (16 children)

We don't need more "pro-israel centrists"

The reason Dem turnout in generals is depressed, is our choices are CIA war criminals like Slotking or a republican.

She is the problem, not the 99.9% who don't want an oligarchy

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[–] Mossheart@lemmy.ca 39 points 2 days ago

Ratchet effect at work

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

American number 1 priority would be to get out this 2 party system with ranked voting or something.

[–] Xanza@lemm.ee 61 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Her name is: Sen. Elissa Slotkin (D-MI)

Just so you don't accidentally vote for her.

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[–] GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

If they quack like a republican and walk like a republican, they're a republican

[–] eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone 28 points 2 days ago

At least she's honest about throwing in with fascism.

The rest of the Democratic party is pissing on our leg and telling us it's raining.

[–] Trebuchet@lemm.ee 108 points 2 days ago (4 children)
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[–] Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world 79 points 2 days ago (22 children)

Maybe the democrats need to ditch pro-oligarchy anti-woke members 🤷‍♂️

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[–] theotherbelow@lemmynsfw.com 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

She ate the onion, I have never seen the word "Woke" used in a conversation without it being extremist politics or a comedy routine.

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[–] macaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone 57 points 2 days ago

Willfully or blindly ignorant, but the result is the same.

[–] triptrapper@lemmy.world 64 points 2 days ago

I can’t do what [AOC] does because we live in a purple state, and I’m a pragmatist

"It's pragmatic for me to avoid making my Republican donors upset." What an idiot.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 26 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Slotkin says she wants to take the focus off of Oligarchy and Putin's smile just gets a few inches wider.

[–] witnessbolt@lemm.ee 14 points 1 day ago

Yeah if she wasn't CIA I'd perhaps understand her perspective of wanting to focus on just attacking Trump as the King

But.. this issue is so beyond Trump that focusing it on him will just make people go back to normal when he's gone - which is not okay

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[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 55 points 2 days ago (14 children)

Man I figured this was paraphrased because I can't trust a headline nowadays even if it used quotes but nope. Used those exact terms in that way. Says to retake flag energy. Fuck that nationalist shit. Definately need to redefine patriotism around the constitution and civil rights but sure as shit not around the flag. The flag is a symbol of the ideals that should be respected not a thing itself to respect.

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[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 61 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)
[–] UncleJosh@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago

What are they going to do, ask MAGA to stop calling them "woke"? MAGA is all about bullying people, so saying "we don't like your name-calling" is only going to make it worse.

Grow a spine. Respond with "I know what woke means, so are you arguing against it from the racism angle or the ignorance angle?"

[–] Gregg@lemm.ee 69 points 2 days ago

The oligarchy pays me to pretend to fight for you! Wait. Cut that part.

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[–] Etterra@discuss.online 14 points 1 day ago

Hey stupid you're doing it wrong. Going even more to the right isn't going to change jack shit. Listen to the people who are already willing to vote for Democrat if only the Democrat wasn't an idiot.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 36 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

If you think your salvation is in the neoliberals that enabled their opposition into getting us here for 50 years, you're almost as deluded as Trump's legion of useful idiots.

The DNC would rather lose to the Fascists than move to the left. The former keeps their shared bribe gravy train running which is the point, fighting their bribers would not.

The DNC either needs to be stolen by a populist leftist as Trump did with the RNC, or get comfortable because if the choice is fascist or neoliberal as it has been for half a century, we will continue to find new depths to descend to until total system collapse.

Fascism is the union of business and state to accelerate metastasis at any cost, let's say we even have another free election, and best case scenario we elect another neoliberal, I can't respect your opinion or consider it informed if you truly believe the Neoliberals will once back in power do a thing to meaningfully reign in the capitalist's governmental capture or redistribute their Ill gotten wealth.

If the Neoliberals somehow get back into power in 4 years, they'll leave the table set for the fascists to march again in another 4. Affirmation ribbons are leaps and bounds better than scapegoats, but you can't eat affirmation ribbons, nor can you live in them. Our mass homeless population, our murder for profit confidence scheme we call American Healthcare, our education system at every level in utter ruin, these are not partisan issues because they would cost big corpo exploited profits to fix, and so both parties protect the status quo from us, the people that suffer and die under them. Fascists point and laugh at you, but neoliberals just shrug and go "market forces, amirite 🤷?"

Oligarchy is why we have Trump. There probably isn't hope, but if you refuse understand big corpo is the enemy of the people and the cause of all this stemming from the Reagan Revolution, then not only will you burn in the fires of fascism, you'll burn ignorant as to why and how to boot.

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