Context: I made a poll on PieFed about the new post flairs (so if you are one of the few hundred people who have a PieFed account, follow that link and answer there). Unfortunately Lemmy has neither polls nor post flairs, so this post is to open up the discussion to the wider Fediverse, or rather the subset of it that encompasses Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, which is called... what exactly?

Is Threadiverse too traumatic & tainted by association with Meta's (all but entirely defunct) Threads? Is The Verse too cool/poetic/nerdy (but niche) to be understood? I highly advise against Lemmyverse bc mainstream normal people are far less tolerant of tankies than we who are here are willing to put up with. Simply listing the software available sometimes is the best option - like the Interstellar app supports all of Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed, but most support at best 1 or 2 of those - but usually is too long to say and does not roll off the tongue, plus will just keep growing as time goes on. Is Forumverse thus the least bad of the available options, or perhaps you have a better idea? 💡

Anyway, the start to a listing:

Threadiverse
Forumverse
(The) Verse
Lemmy + Mbin + PieFed
Something else?

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[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 31 points 6 days ago (4 children)

As the creator of Mbin I'm also calling it Threadiverse.

[–] notizie@poliverso.org 1 points 2 days ago

@melroy Unfortunately, as I explained elsewhere, the problem is that Meta has now "infected" the word thread.
For this reason I would propose #topicverse also because in fact, it is not so much the "thread" that characterizes the Lemmy/xBin/Piefed/BBCode environment, but the ability to immediately identify the "topics". In fact, Mastodon also has the thread, even if it is unwatchable, but the topic display is only available in some software (and some apps like Raccoon for Friendica, which allow you to view the topics of activitypub groups also on Mastodon)

@OpenStars

[–] julian@community.nodebb.org 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

@melroy@kbin.melroy.org NodeBB here, agreed.

It really is the most succinct nickname to describe the type of software we are... and I feel that outweighs possible association with Threads.

[–] melroy@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 6 days ago

I follow you now :)

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 5 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Thank you for weighing in, this is quite helpful! 🙏

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 7 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Lemmy Federate also says this:

1: Threadiverse refers to Fediverse software that implements "FEP-1b12: group federation". For example, Lemmy, Mbin, Guppe, NodeBB and others...

Maybe try to get a piefed namedrop there?

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

I noticed PieFed.social on page 9, and the link is functional, even though next to it the status says "disabled".

That site doesn't seem very trustworthy. I wonder if it is measuring how "Lemmy-like" an instance is? Anyway I've never heard of that site before, but passing the note to @rimu@piefed.social anyway in case it helps:-).

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (1 children)

It's run by an instance admin. I wanna say lemy.lol?

even though next to it the status says "disabled".

I believe that just means piefed.social isn't participating in the service.

Edit: is that right, @iso@lemy.lol?

[–] iso@lemy.lol 3 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

Yes, it is just disabled. Lemmy Federate supports every threadiverse software and Piefed is one of them.

Currently Piefed communities can be followed by Lemmy instances but not the other way around.

In general, every fediverse software that support FEP-1b12 and can receive Lemmy-like PM’s can register to Lemmy Federate.

/cc @OpenStars@discuss.online @rimu@piefed.social @julian@community.nodebb.org

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Yeah something is screwy - PieFed.social is most definitely aware of lemy.lol (see this at https://piefed.social/instance/lemy.lol), but the last post it has from your own account seems to be nine months ago, and the second link on that page I linked, to "Posts" yields an error.

Nor does this portion of the conversation appear in this version of the OP (see here, which should have all of these responses below it but they are lacking there).

So apologies, I guess it's not just the tool, rather the issue is wider than that: either your instance lemy.lol or PieFed.social (or both) are not communicating in the standard manner with one another. Fwiw, PieFed.social seems to have no trouble federating with (any? at least the vast majority?) of other Lemmy instances? But I will leave that to you and rimu to work out:-).

[–] iso@lemy.lol 3 points 5 days ago

Interesting. I didn't realize my instance wasn't federated with Piefed. I'll contact the Piefed admins about this.

However, this issue is probably not related to Lemmy Federate because Piefed.social doesn't even use it.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Currently Piefed communities can be followed by Lemmy instances but not the other way around.

You mean using your tool, or overall?

[–] iso@lemy.lol 3 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Of course using the tool :)

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Thought so, but there does seem to be some confusion surrounding this so clarity always helps.

[–] iso@lemy.lol 2 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Absolutely. Sometimes I can be hard to understand (since English is not my native language), thanks for the clarity :)

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 2 points 4 days ago

Don't worry, in this case it's definitely the fedi backend tech that's hard to understand, not you,

[–] julian@community.nodebb.org 2 points 5 days ago (2 children)

@iso@lemy.lol what's a "lemmy-like" PM :laughing: I think this explains why I can't log into the site.

[–] rikudou@lemmings.world 2 points 3 days ago

It's the ChatMessage ActivityPub custom type: https://docs.pleroma.social/backend/development/ap_extensions/#chatmessages

[–] iso@lemy.lol 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

IIRC Lemmy and Mastodon PMs are different and incompatible. If you can receive PMs from Lemmy users then you should be able to receive auth codes. Currently @rikudou@lemmings.world is adding both Lemmy and Mastodon PMs here: https://github.com/ismailkarsli/lemmy-federate/pull/33

Also software other than Lemmy and Mbin needs to add ‘roleName: Administrator’ to their user webfinger requests. This is because ActivityPub doesn’t have a standard way to expose user roles.

I’m thinking of adding another ways of verifying like DNS based verification but still not sure. Any recommendations are welcome :)

[–] Coelacanth@feddit.nu 3 points 6 days ago

Threadiverse is by far the best name for it.

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Forumverse makes the most sense but it really doesn’t roll of the tounge.

Hence I prefer Lemmyverse or Threadiverse.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 1 points 5 days ago

Thank you for your contribution:-).

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Threadiverse kinda captures it, but it also calls association with Threads (by Meta), like if it's the parent of it, while in fact it's not even part of it.

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 4 points 5 days ago

That's unfortunate, because some of us were using that term before Threads existed.

[–] macfranc@poliversity.it 7 points 5 days ago (1 children)

@OpenStars In the past we had gotten into the habit of calling the set of thread-based environments #threadverse, but the advent of the terrible Meta service has polluted this denomination.

Personally I would use the expression #topicverse

@fediverse

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 5 days ago

Topicverse sounds kinda nice.

To be fair, people were using Threadiverse before Meta revealed that they were working on their Threads. And now they do not want to switch?

[–] Madbrad200@sh.itjust.works 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Gonna be the odd one out here and say that all of these names are kinda stupid, but Lemmyverse is probably the best of the bunch.

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 4 points 5 days ago

The word itself sounds nice, but is the least inclusive.

That's like saying that all of these conversations that we all have are on Lemmy.World? Sure, it's between 50 and 80% true (users and the most active communities, respectively, including this one we are in now), but it misses a ton of nuance and detail there.

PieFed, Mbin, and now nodebb, with others on the way (flarum, perhaps Sublinks) also exist.

So why call this all "Lemmy", when that's only a part - granted, by far the majority portion - of the whole?

[–] youronlyone@fedia.io 6 points 5 days ago (4 children)

When the first Reddit migration happened, the migrants called it #Threadiverse and has always been that way. Although some tried to change it (Threads was not around yet, or public, IIRC), it didn't work, the migrants prefer Threadiverse so it stuck.

Changing names in the Fediverse is not easy since it has grown humongous already. Back in 2008 it was simply called #Identiverse. Then a few years later it morphed into the #Fediverse (this was before ActivityPub, yes, the Fediverse is years older than ActivityPub).

Back in 2021/2022, we tried to change the name "Fediverse" because Twitter migrants and the Press/Media were whining too much about it. Even though we reached a consensus, the we were far too small compared to the number of new people.

The people who kept on complaining about the name "Fediverse", when they were asked to participate in the disucssion and polls, they did not. When they were presented with the new name, they either ignored us or started whining again. 🤷🏽

Anyway, if there's a huge population involved, it's not going to be easy.

Now, I'm not discouraging you, rather, I shared our experience in the hopes that you'll find a better way. Because personally, I'm not so fond of "Threadiverse", haha.

If you use, for example, the lemmyBB interface, it's no longer "threadi", it's a forum. 😝 (I know, lame reason.)

Oh! One thing that came out of trying to rename the Fediverse, people don't want "-verse" anywhere because it's overused. Multiverse. Metaverse. Fediverse. Threadiverse. Benverse. Omniverse. Panverse. Whoverse. Trekverse.

[–] youronlyone@fedia.io 7 points 5 days ago

Hmm… I like the -ville suggestion. #Threadiville perhaps?

The #Fediverse is the "universe".
- The -ville is the "local group".
  - The various software are the "galaxies".
    - The instances are the "planets".

So:

Fediverse
- Threadiville local group
  - Mbin galaxy
    - Fedia IO planet
  - Kbin galaxy
    - Kbin social planet
  - Nodebb galaxy
  - Lemmy galaxy
    - Lemmy World planet
- Microville local group
  - Mastoforks galaxy
  - Pleroma galaxy
- Writingville local group
  - Plume galaxy
  - WriteFreely galaxy
  - Ghost galaxy
- Faceville local group
  - Friendica galaxy
  - -key forks galaxy
- CMSville local group
  - Hubzilla galaxy
  - Drupal galaxy
  - Wordpress galaxy

😁

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 2 points 5 days ago

Tagging @Snoopy@piefed.social.

This is a great summary of the history of the topic, thank you!:-)

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 1 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What was the new name? I've heard open social web.

[–] youronlyone@fedia.io 2 points 5 days ago

It started as a suggestion, then we compiled it and made phases of polls. (The instance clised shop, unfortunately.)

Based on those, the most that got the votes was the suggestion "Mycelium". It was inspired by Star Trek: Discovery and the real-world mycelium.

The second one, I can't remember but it was also related to nature's fungi or plants.

The list of suggestions and votes were based on who participated. And at the time it was done, it was the Twitter Migration, and people were complaining loudly about the name "Fediverse". And yet, those who participated were mostly pre-Migration people (who generally didn't have a strong issue with "Fediverse"). 😄

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[–] omgboom@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The autism collective

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 3 points 5 days ago

Might be too obvious:-).

Alternatively, The Linux hangout.

[–] irelephant@lemmy.world 5 points 5 days ago (1 children)

What about boardnet?

[–] OpenStars@discuss.online 4 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Bc a network of forum boards?

[–] irelephant@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago

Yeah. I think it has a good ring to it. Maybe forumnet.

[–] pewgar_seemsimandroid@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 6 days ago

Threadiverse

[–] schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 6 days ago

I've been calling it threadiverse because that is what I saw most other people call it.

Really all it is is "ActivityPub groups" or if that is too technical, "fediverse groups".

[–] flamingos@feddit.uk 7 points 6 days ago

The linked linkers, because we're link aggregators that link together.

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