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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 5 days ago (1 children)

well yeah, that's why donations don't work either, somehow. consider:

if you're the person always donating to charity, and nobody else does, you're essentially providing the community service that should be provided by the community taxes. instead, you pay it all yourself. that's why taxes have to be enforced by the community: the first one to donate suffers a disadvantage, but if a general rule says everybody must pay taxes/donate at the same time, nobody loses.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

But what if I’m Self-Made(TM)? I earned that money and definitely didn’t use anything that taxes paid for, and if I did I’d be happy to pay for it but only it and also I’m sure that wouldn’t cause a paperwork nightmare as everyone tries to be way to specific about what they’re paying for and what they aren’t.

/S

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 21 points 6 days ago (1 children)

This comment section is all people missing the point.

The point of the post is that a particular job will generally stabilize at a particular pay. If it's a tipped position, then the employer will pay less, so that the overall income is roughly at that stable income for that position, including the overall average tip.

So people who tip less than the average are free riding off of the people who tip more than average, where that worker will make an average tip overall, which comes more from the generous tippers than the stingy tippers. Thus, it effectively transfers money from generous tippers to stingy tippers, on net, in the long run.

The merits of this system, whether servers deserve to be paid more, whether we should push for reforms so that this isn't the system, is besides the point. The post is making an observation of how things actually are, not advocating for how things should be.

[–] cyberblob@discuss.tchncs.de 20 points 6 days ago (1 children)

No worker should depend on tips. Problem solved

[–] exasperation@lemm.ee 4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

And yet, people do.

Should we just ignore the dynamics of that system, and pretend it doesn't exist? Or can we make observations about that system, and analyze its effects?

[–] cyberblob@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 6 days ago (3 children)
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[–] BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 32 points 6 days ago (7 children)

No your tips become profit for the greedy assholes who own the restaurant, you aren't compensating for non tippers, you are compensating for greedy cunts not paying people a living wage and the fact that most Americans can't understand this and are agreeing with the post calling people who don't tip as rude is why tipping is never gonna leave this fucked up country

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[–] Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 16 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Tipping is basically donating money to the waiting staff (in a broader sense, to the management of the restaurant).

I think there are more people in need of donations than the ones who move your food 10 steps.

I would 10000% pick my own food and cary it to the table, as I often do in many """lower class""" restaurants (diners?)

That, or add a flat service charge, add it to the check and pay fucking taxes (this is directed to the management).

I don't tip. But I don't live in the US.

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[–] Pnut@lemm.ee 19 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I'm Canadian. Servers now make minimum wage. I have stopped tipping. It doesn't make any sense that a server who is making above minimum wage has to rely on customers paying a gratuity. Where were my tips when I was a lifeguard? Or a tour guide? I didn't get a bonus for doing a good job landscaping. I'm not angry at the servers. I'm upset at the ones who blame customers for the shady business that they help keep open.

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[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

Tipping is one of the only reasons to carry cash

I like to pay by card and hand the waiter a bill or two so they aren't giving half of their tip to management

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 5 points 6 days ago

It goes both ways. We do want families and kids to come in and eat. Some people don’t tip well because they don’t have the means and that’s okay! It’s socialized service. You can look at it like you’re supporting the people who are working and those who want their kids to have experiences they otherwise couldn’t. Just like the guy who orders 3 cocktails subsidies the water and sandwhich guy. Or the 4 kids meals and fries guy. You can look at it a lot of ways.

[–] infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 7 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

This is how a greedy person thinks. It's morbid, but fascinating.

I am not in a financial race against the people who do not tip. And if this guy thinks I am then he failed to factor in that people pleasers probably go a lot further socially in life and thus are likely to make more money. Maybe I tip not because I want to please, but because I have more expendable income than the average self-limiting greedy asshole.

[–] smol_beans@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't think the richest people are the ones who want to please people the most, I think the less they want to please people, the richer they get. Then they run society with their wealth and the people pleasers are at their mercy

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 6 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

The only way you can help increase the wages is to not tip, all it does is subsidize the owners

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