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Summary

Director of National Intelligence Tulsi Gabbard fired National Intelligence Council Acting Chair Mike Collins and Deputy Maria Langan-Riekhof after they contradicted Trump’s claims about the Venezuelan gang Tren de Aragua.

A declassified NIC report found no Maduro-directed effort behind TDA's U.S. activity, opposing Trump’s justification for suspending Venezuelan migrants’ due-process rights.

Whistleblowers accused the officials of undermining Trump. Gabbard is relocating the NIC from the CIA to her office.

Critics warned the firings suggest intelligence is being shaped to suit political agendas, not facts.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 7 points 2 hours ago

I'd ask how dumb is she, but that is just asking the obvious.

If you don't know that creating yes men will undermine you due to a lack of facts, you deserve everything you will get

[–] D_C@lemm.ee 13 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

Good Russian assets protect their Russian leaders bought and paid for Russian puppets!!

[–] Zenith@lemm.ee 24 points 9 hours ago

Gotta make sure Putin gets what he paid for

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 25 points 10 hours ago

Little MS russian Kgb agent.

[–] Archangel1313@lemm.ee 106 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Gabbard is reportedly moving the NIC from the CIA to her own office in order to “directly hold accountable any improper action and politicization of intelligence,” per Fox News.

Oh, the irony. There is so much irony, it hurts.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 11 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

It's not even irony, it's just willful projection at this point. And it works.

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 36 points 13 hours ago

Every accusation a confession.

[–] Trimatrix@lemmy.world 45 points 14 hours ago (9 children)

Serious question. But where do I find unfucked sources of news? Like I use to be able to take things like the NIHS, CDC seriously but can’t anymore. Government is pretty much syncopating towards the executive branch.

I am more or less looking for sources of news that is in their interest to report the facts as accurately as possible.

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 4 points 2 hours ago

I find the AP to be the most level headed source most of the time. No place is infallible

[–] kent_eh@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 hours ago

where do I find unfucked sources of news?

Look towards the news sources that Trump is trying to shut down.

Or look to international news sources that aren't American owned.

[–] Emergency3030@lemmy.world 3 points 6 hours ago

Zero, everything is being controlled because that's exactly what dictatorships do.

[–] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 16 points 10 hours ago (4 children)

European News Agencies are a lot more unbiased than american ones I believe. BBC for example

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago

Be careful there too. Daily mail for example isn't a great source.

[–] makyo@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago

The Guardian has been great

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net -1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 29 minutes ago) (2 children)

Nick Robinson and Laura Kuenssberg were by no means unbias (particularly Kuenssberg) and they were both previous BBC Political Editors:

https://www.thenational.scot/politics/24627111.laura-kuenssberg-worst-moments-boris-johnson-deleted-tweets/

The BBC were also found to be bias during the Scottish independence referendum:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/bbc-bias-and-scots-referendum-new-report/

And they've had journalists call out pro-Israel bias:

In November 2024, 230 members of the media industry including 101 anonymous BBC staff wrote a letter to Tim Davie accusing the BBC of providing favourable coverage towards Israel and failing its own editorial standards by lacking "consistently fair and accurate evidence-based journalism in its coverage of Gaza".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_the_BBC

The BBC are a giant government funded media company, they know how to present a good image of themselves and have years of good publicity and marketing to solidify that image. But be under no illusion that they are unbias. They push political agendas as much as any American private news organisation, just with more subtlety and an air of professionalism and officialdom to more legitimise their stance.

That's not to say they don't do good journalism or can't be used as a credible source at times. But just to remember that they too are bias and have masters who push agendas.

Edit: to add more context:

https://www.theguardian.com/media/2025/apr/22/bbc-tells-pm-evan-davis-to-stop-hosting-heat-pump-podcast

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/stephen-doughty-labour-mp-s-jeremy-corbyn-onair-resignation-prearranged-by-the-bbc-a6801846.html

[–] ExtantHuman@lemm.ee 2 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago) (1 children)

Unbias**-ed**

Why do so many people conjugate this verb incorrectly?

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

Because English is an arse of a language and I am a dumb dumb 🙃

A dumb dumb capable of providing credible sources though, which is funny considering the downvotes and the context of this thread. Maybe y'all aren't as different from Gabbard as you think...

[–] mrbutterscotch@feddit.org 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Well yes, there is no such thing as an unbiased news agency. That doesn't exist. But the bbc is in no way comparable to American News such as cnn and fox news

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net -4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Did you read any of my sources?

The BBC doesn't outright say red is blue, because they're not idiots and their target audience aren't idiots, but to state they're not comparable flies in the face of reason. They have shown on multiple occasions to push agendas, to the point that the criticism page on Wikipedia is huge. They are not the bastion of good journalism that they're held up to be by the general public.

The Guardian has it's flaws too of course but that is a far far better source than the BBC. It doesn't claim to be unbias, it doesn't lie to you that you'll hear fair and even coverage from "both sides", it doesn't give preferential treatment to the ruling party in government because of fears its funding will be removed.

Edit: What's scarier? An obvious bias source screaming nonsense 24/7 or a supposed unbias source subtly distorting facts when it suits them? Which will have more influence on public perception? Which is a better propaganda machine?

[–] Auli@lemmy.ca 6 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

Well it's already proven the biased source yelling at you 24/7 is the better propaganda machine.

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net -1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Proven? Is it? Care to provide some sources or argument beyond just an assertion? An administration does not an empire make.

It's intriguing that posts with references get downvoted but posts without get upvoted. Great critical thinking Lemmy users 👍

[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

gestures broadly at the usa

[–] punksnotdead@slrpnk.net 1 points 2 hours ago

gestures broadly at the UK...

[–] JohnnyCanuck@lemmy.ca 23 points 13 hours ago

Europe, maybe?

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 7 points 13 hours ago

The way I see it is no label is trustworthy or ever has been, simply look at the sources and compare articles on the same subject.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 3 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (2 children)

You have to accept that there are no such thing as unfucked sources and make your mind up accordingly

[–] Emergency3030@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago

Exactly, everything right now is being controlled or news agencies like PBS and NPR being unfunded because that's how dictatorships are born, you only listen to one source of news and that happens to be the news channels endorsed by the rulling dictator party.

[–] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 6 points 12 hours ago

Scrutiny is good and all, but I'd like to think that journalistic standards can be expected from some sources. And, those sources can be generally accepted without me having to be a journalist myself. Otherwise, what is the point of journalism?

[–] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 27 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

If you’re narking on people who are saying the intelligence doesn’t support those claims, as being “disloyal”, you’re not being a whistleblower.

You’re being a Nazis prick fucking over someone just doing their job to get ahead of the curve.

[–] ctrl_alt_esc@lemmy.ml 20 points 12 hours ago

Seriously, the word whistleblower has absolutely no place in this context..

[–] neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works 7 points 11 hours ago

Agreed.

Unrelated, but it's narcing. Narc is short for narcotics officer.

[–] GuyFawkes@midwest.social 11 points 12 hours ago

Critics warned the firings suggest intelligence is being shaped to suit political agendas, not facts.

Ah, so just like they live the rest of their reality then? Might be the first thing they’re consistent about!

[–] finitebanjo@lemmy.world 11 points 13 hours ago

No surprise, Gabbard has been accused of being a Russian Asset for over a decade already.

[–] blakenong@lemmings.world 12 points 14 hours ago

You mean to daddy you go now