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Four months ago, we asked Are LLMs making Stack Overflow irrelevant? Data at the time suggested that the answer is likely "yes:"

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[–] INeedMana@lemmy.world 46 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not convinced that the number of questions asked is the correct metric. In the end the point is not to have a constant flow of questions, rather constant flow of answers found.

There is a point in proficiency in language/library/whatever after which it is faster to find the answer in the code/documentation/test example than to wait until another person on even higher level will come and answer your question.
Maybe we simply filled out what was needed to be asked in the beginner-bug found-intermediate space and, apart from questions stemming from new versions etc, SO does not need more questions?

Expectation for everything to constantly grow is unrealistic

[–] silasmariner@programming.dev 8 points 18 hours ago

As more and more libraries are open source on GitHub or gitlab or sourceforge or whateverthefuck, asking questions on the libraries themselves (as an issue) is often the right thing to do, too... Less centralised than SO but also the only people who care about how to do things in a lib are people using the lib, so.....

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[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 21 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

Even without LLMs, it’s possible StackOverflow would have eventually faded into irrelevance

Yeah, exactly. A lot of groups have a Discord :( or other forums where people ask questions. I know I've had to ask questions on Svelte's Discord :( for example. And I think even once on some YouTube influencer's Slack...

Sucks cuz both of those places are silos and my questions and answers are forever lost.

[–] WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 27 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (2 children)

It's not like discord is any better than SO. It's a closed platform, often with no read access if you don't want to register, and it's not searchable in the slightest.

I would take SO any day over discord.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 1 points 11 hours ago (3 children)

Can people access to discord from corporate networks? I'm fucked if the Google answer gave me reddit or github as the answers because they're blocked.

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[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 7 points 20 hours ago

Yep. 200% agree. I still post questions on SO, but when I don't get any answers, then I have to go to Discord... :(

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[–] ramble81@lemm.ee 53 points 1 day ago (13 children)

So here’s what I don’t get. LLMs were trained on data from places like SO. SO starts losing users ,and thus content. Content that LLMs ingest to stay relevant.

So where will LLMs get their content after a certain point? Especially for new things that may come out or unique situations. It’s not like it’ll scrape the answer from a web page if people are just asking LLMs.

[–] baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 75 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The snake eats its tail and it all degenerates into slop. Happy coding!

[–] vala@lemmy.world 4 points 16 hours ago

You are assuming that people act in logical ways.

This is only a problem right now if you think about it.

[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The need for the service that SO provided won't go away. Eventually people will migrate to new places to discuss. LLM creators will either constantly scrape those as well, forcing them to implement more and more countermeasures and GenAI-poison, or the services themselves will enshittify and sell our content (i.e. the commons) to LLM-creators.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I worry that the replacement is more likely a move to platforms like Discord. I mean it's already happened in a lot of projects.

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Discord is terrible for this.

[–] dojan@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago

I hate Discord with a passion. Trying to get everyone I know away from it.

[–] cmnybo@discuss.tchncs.de 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

If they move to Discord, nobody will ever be able to find the answers. They must use a website that is indexable by search engines or it will be pointless.

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[–] db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (10 children)

Never again will I help provide content to a VC-backed service just so that they can rugpull us and cash-out.

[–] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 11 points 1 day ago

That's why people should be posting on fedi and never post on corporate web.

When corporate tells you its a parasite, believe it

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[–] vermaterc@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (5 children)

People seem to be happy because of SO becoming irrelevant. I really don't get it, I used this website for many years now and for me it is the second (after Wikipedia) most valuable source of knowledge. The UI is clean, no intrusive adds, best answer is the most visible. Threads are well organised and on topic. No spam, no dark patterns, no wasting your time. Discoverability is great, you can easily browse and learn knew things. It is also SEO friendly. Why do you prefer Discord? What do I miss?

[–] mbirth@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Why do you prefer Discord? What do I miss?

I’ve had a discussion with someone about this. Apparently, there are people that enjoy the social contact. Some seem to like sitting in a Discord chat all day long and answering the same questions over and over again. Others like to “just ask” someone instead of looking for a solution themselves.

That there’s no clear structure of all the solutions provided via Discord and thus people have to ask the same things, nor a proper way of backing everything up in case Discord goes rogue seems to be blissfully ignored.

It’s probably part of the same phenomenon that, nowadays, people seem unable to write or read a few lines of documentation and instead create/watch 20 minutes on YouTube.

[–] isaakengineer@programming.dev 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

YouTube might be the plague that killed the written web, you say? The blogging murderer?

[–] Endmaker@ani.social 8 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

best answer is the most visible

no wasting your time

These two points aren't always true in my experience. On more than a few occasions, I have encountered posts that look similar to the problems that I am facing, but because of a slight nuance (on the surface), the answers suggested won't help.

Usually, my search would hit a deadend here. At this point, I guess the best course of action is to create a new post. Unfortunately, these new posts would then get closed as a duplicate of the similar post - even though the problem in that particular context still hasn't been solved

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 4 points 21 hours ago

get closed as a duplicate of the similar post

I've definitely had this happen to be before. It's annoying.

What I do in that case is proactively say:

I'm facing problem X. I've tried searching for solutions. I found post X2 and X3 that are similar, but my problem is actually different because of Y.

Sometimes it helps.

Also, if you see people being assholes you can report them. There's a flag for "unfriendly or unkind". I've definitely used that before.

[–] brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 22 hours ago

Agree with you, SO is great for finding info. There are solutions on there for niche problems that I haven't been able to find elsewhere, the type of thing where someone actually took the time to type out a step-by-step answer and it's now there and searchable on SO. It's a bummer that so many people seem to hate on the site nowadays.

And lets not forget the whole reason SO came out in the first place, back then web results were littered with question/answer links to sites like Experts-Exchange. I hated trying to figure out if an answer was on there, most of the time you ended up with a link to a question that you think has an answer but oh no you need to subscribe to view an answer that may or may not exist.

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[–] Endmaker@ani.social 31 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even without LLMs, it’s possible StackOverflow would have eventually faded into irrelevance – perhaps driven by moderation policy changes or something else that started in 2014

💯

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[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 22 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I used it once in high school, got called a retard for asking a beginner question, then avoided it like the plague for 20 years.

[–] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 19 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

Hey look everyone it's that retard from stack overflow!

[–] Sabata11792@ani.social 18 points 22 hours ago

Aw shit, not again.

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[–] CaptPretentious@lemmy.world 6 points 20 hours ago

I've lost count the number of times where I try to find something in SO, and it's just someone posting the exact same example code as the answer. Or someone suggesting you just google it. Then I ask ChatGPT... and I get an answer.

[–] sylver_dragon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not terribly surprising, Google would often direct me to StackOverflow threads as I was googling for an answer to a question. And as often as not, either the question was closed; or, instead of anyone providing an answer, the commenters would spiral off into questioning everything about the original question asker's life choices. While I do get the whole XY Problem, this sort of thing seemed to be over-used on SO.

Granted, I don't know if AI answers are any better. Sure, they can answer a lot of the simple questions, but I've not seen them be useful on hard, more obscure questions. Probably because those questions don't have ready answers on SO.

[–] paequ2@lemmy.today 4 points 21 hours ago

the whole XY Problem

lol. I hate this. Just answer the damn question or don't. I'm not asking you to validate if what I'm doing is weird or not. It's weird! I know! That's none of your business. Just answer the damn question or don't. Simple as.

[–] Mubelotix@jlai.lu 4 points 20 hours ago

I stopped using it before chatgpt arrived. You can always find answers in the documentation or in github issues

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