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[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 67 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Get a catio.

Don’t let cats kill more birds and amphibians. Cats being let outside has contributed to the extinction of countless species.

[–] DrownedRats@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Also, lead walking! Most cats can be trained to be very receptive to lead walking especially if you start them young. Your cat still gets the enrichment from walking around outside and all the lovely smells and sights that entails but without the danger of cars or the cat killing everything is feels like.

[–] fireweed@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

Walking your cat is a great way to get them outside, but (depending on the individual) it's quite different from walking a dog. Most cats aren't very interested in the actual walking part of walks, and may be much happier finding a nice bush to sit under for half an hour. However a leash is a great way to keep your cat supervised and under control for outside visits, either in the back yard, around the block, or to a nearby park.

Other warnings: starting them young is ideal, but older cats can get used to the leash with a lot of patience (on both of your parts). Cats that were previously outdoor cats will have the most trouble adjusting to their loss of freedom, but indoor-only cats may be excited for the opportunity (or terrified: pushing your cat a little out of their comfort zone is okay but don't overdo it!). A well-fitting harness/vest is crucial, and even then a very determined (or scared) cat can probably wriggle out so be prepared. Keep a very close eye on your cat's emotional state and be ready to go home at signs of anxiety. Low-stress outdoor places (with few cars, dogs, screaming kids, etc, and with some form of cover like trees and bushes) are best especially to start. Treats and verbal encouragement, paired with small steps and lots of patience, are key! Above all stay consistent: once you've made the decision to make your cat leash-only, don't let them go outside without it: your cat needs to make the connection that they have to be on a leash if they want to enjoy the outside.

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[–] Dorkyd68@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

I used to see Cardinals everywhere in my back yard wonder if my neighbors shit head orange keeps killing them

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know they do a lot of killing and they fuck up the local ecosystem, but I never knew they actually made extinctions happen. What species?

[–] FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

https://gizmodo.com/8-species-driven-toward-extinction-by-cats-1848059691

Over half of pet cats in the U.S. spend time outside, and worldwide the animals have contributed to the extinction of at least 33 species, according to the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service.

Sadly, it’s already too late for dozens of species, including the Stephens Island wren (a flightless songbird), the crescent nailtail wallaby, and the adorable desert bandicoot.

[Suprise the Trump admin seems to have taken that page down — sure there is an archive tho]

[–] wpb@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

That is absolutely crazy. Thanks for sharing!

[–] Crazyblu@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Why do we let humans go outside ???

[–] Anomalocaris@lemm.ee 6 points 1 day ago

to feed the bears

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[–] Tudsamfa@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

I believe discussion on this flares up now and then because it is an easy answer, tough decision.

If you make this decision for others: of course this is the most ethical thing to do, the data isn't ambiguous.

If you are yourself affected: Oof. Yes it might be better for society, but personally I value this and that, and I am but one and would rather wait on legislation before I do anything.

We love to argue it because one side thinks experiencing it taints your view, the other that only reading data misses the point. Can be about indoor cats, vegan diets or pineapple on pizza, the argument itself never matters.

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 77 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Bigger issue imo is cats destroying wild life not the wild life destroying cats. Either way, keep your cat inside.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago

So, now you're starving coyotes?

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 18 points 2 days ago (35 children)

Some of us live in countries that don't really have dangerous wild life and cats have been allowed outside for over 1000 years.

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

>countries that don't really have dangerous wildlife

>cats have been allowed outside for over 1000 years

Sounds like your country does have dangerous wildlife, you just like the predator more than the prey

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 points 1 day ago

Sure it used to but we killed them off centuries ago

[–] kunaltyagi@programming.dev 38 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Humans can sustain a large density of cats that wasn't possible in the wild. If it's a pet cat, don't let it hunt. It will imbalance the ecosystem by adding too many predators who don't depend on the prey for sustenance

[–] unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 2 days ago (22 children)

I always love bringing out this good ol chart.

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[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 80 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I witnessed basically this exact conversation once. We were in the exam room, and our vet stepped out to the computer in the hallway to show a woman her cat's X-rays. Apparently it had been attacked by a dog and wouldn't make it.

The vet literally said, "So what did we learn today? Don't let your cat outside if you want it to live."

[–] PotatoLibre@feddit.it 73 points 2 days ago (3 children)

Funny.

In Europe we've the same discussion for the opposite reasons.

Do not let the cat outside, it will kills other animals.

[–] rockerface@lemm.ee 47 points 2 days ago (3 children)

It's really both. Eventually cat will get into an accident, but on the way there it will take a whole bunch of smaller animals and birds with it.

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[–] Cethin@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago (24 children)

This works for people with empathy who care. The former works for people who are selfish. Both are good to tell people. One may work where the other doesn't.

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[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 24 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can't take anyone seriously on cat welfare if they have a cat mutilated just to prevent furniture getting some scratch marks.

[–] Buffalobuffalo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

My cat loves her 6 C-size breast implants thank you very much. The reduced scratching is just a tangential benefit to her self image.

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[–] Fiivemacs@lemmy.ca 56 points 2 days ago (13 children)

Holy crap..yes. leash your cats for the love of all that is fuzzy.

The anger people have when you tell them it's neglect when you just let a cat roam free. It's insanity. Your cat can easily just never come home or be found dead to many things, and they also destroy lots of wildlife and crap on people's property with no respecting owner to clean up.

No one would take this from dogs..so why cats? It's literally for their safety and the safety of other animals...its mind boggling and the downvotrs prove it

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[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago

It is better for the bird population, too.

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