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I don't live in the US, so my ISP doesn't really seem to care what I torrent, but the megathread vehemently recommends to always use one. Since VPNs aren't cheap and I'm on a strict budget (wouldn't pirate otherwise), is it really that dangerous to torrent without one?

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[–] ipkpjersi@lemmy.one 2 points 2 years ago

For a private tracker no, for public trackers it depends on your country. Some countries the worst you might get is an email or letter in the mail, other countries you will be sued. I even use a VPN for private trackers, let alone public trackers.

I would recommend using a VPN.

[–] ShellMonkey@lemmy.socdojo.com 2 points 2 years ago

VPN that I use is about 50USD for a two year cycle, pretty cheap if you commit for a while. Even beyond torrents just not letting your ISP scoop up all your browsing data is worth the price.

[–] ashlie@kbin.social 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I personally wouldn't take the chance. Mullvad is €5 a month, and is worth it to me. My ISP completely shut off my service before ever giving me a notification. I had to completely restart service after going full Karen and blaming it on "my kids." I would do a few searches and find posts or info relevant to your area or ISP.

[–] alphafalcon@feddit.de 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Mullvad stopped providing port forwards, so they're not ideal for torrenting anymore. They were great before.

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[–] idlenonsense@lemmy.fmhy.ml 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

VPNs are only really necessary if you use public trackers. Private trackers are generally viewed as small enough and not worth the bother by copyright holders to pursue. Like someone else said earlier, it’s a matter of risk. I tend to view private trackers, especially those seen as “elite” and difficult to enter as being very safe.

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[–] neverminder@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 years ago

yes. sorry. it's cheaper then buying countless games and software, whatever you use it for. think of it as getting a massive discount on things you'd have been forced to buy otherwise. overtime, you'd spend thousands of dollars in games, etc. VPN monthly cost is a small price to pay comparibly

[–] athelard@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

I recommend the free version of VPN of hide.me. I didn't want to pay for VPN and that has worked well for me. Speed is limited after 10gb

[–] BiggestBulb@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

There are a lot of self-hostable VPN services out there which are free. There is also Mullvad as previously mentioned and I myself use Nord (I don't necessarily recommend it for privacy, but it was convenient when I got it).

[–] great_meh@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 2 years ago

Not necessary but really really really really recommended.

[–] AnagrammadiCodeina@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago

Not necessary for torrenting per se, but can be necessary to avoid fees depending on the country where your IP is located.

[–] Thalyssa@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

YMMV but I never got into trouble for torrenting.

Bell Aliant in NS, Canada.

[–] Jarmer@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Look into a seedbox. They can be had for very cheap in some places and then you're not torrenting anything at all to your local network, you're just transferring everything over an encrypted ftp connection. I use whatbox and absolutely love it. I'm sure there are cheaper options though.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It really depends on how likely you are going to be caught and what the consequences are. Your ISP may not care but copyright holders generally band together and have legal set ups in most countries both trying to take down servers and end users, lobby for legal changes including trying to criminalise copy right infingement.

Generally a trustworthy VPN is a very good idea not just for torrenting but for maintaining privacy and security when you are doing other things such as banking, or even just browsing. A VPN is about protecting all your data and internet traffic, not just protecting you when torrenting.

In terms of Torrenting, a Proxy may be enough and a lot of the best VPN providers do provide Proxy servers (that anonymise the detail of your Torrenting use but the rest of your computer use would be on the open internet) in addition to full VPN connections that secure your whole PC for P2P and non-P2P uses.

If a VPN seems too expensive, then there are companies that also only provide Proxy connecftions. BTGuard.com is an example; the Proxy only option is 30% cheaper than the full VPN option.

EDIT: Note though, a VPN is about anonymity. You need to trust your VPN provider as you're passing your data through them, and it is not a substitue for secure practices on the internet. You still need to be secure on the internet including only downloadling from trustworthy locations, using antivirus and malware protection, not installing software from insecure places, using HTTPS and securing your internet browser, turning on tracking protection & ad blocking, and even considering using virtualisation to protect yourself even more.

[–] Jezebelley@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

Definitely should have one. Highly recommend Proton VPN personally. I love their software suite.

[–] trent@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

You're probably fine, but I recommend just getting a free VPN to keep your ISP at bay. I don't like Proton, but they do have a free VPN. Google around and you can find some others too, if that one is too slow

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[–] dimspace@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Personally I just have a Real-Debrid sub for like 3 euros a month and do any torrenting via them.

Also useful for streaming just about anything in Kodi, and for downloading from file hosts

[–] GlitzyArmrest@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Can you use real debrid to automatically grab torrents from a private tracker (maybe through autobrr)?

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