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I have no confidence that Tesla will fix this before the planned Robo-Taxi rollout in Austin in 2 weeks.

After all, they haven't fixed it in the last 9 years that self-driving Teslas have been on the road.

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[–] mitexleo@buddyverse.one 3 points 1 day ago

Not unexpected.

[–] 0x0@lemmy.zip 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

So motorcyclists weren't enough, they're going after kids now? Did they move their headquarters to israel?

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[–] dumbpotato@lemmy.cafe 95 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (12 children)

They know these things are going to kill people; it's just inevitable.

Engineers are well aware of there being a cost-benefit analysis for saving human lives. O'Grady from Practical Engineering did a great video explaining how much a human life is worth to engineers. I think it was a little under $60k.

The purpose of reducing government oversight as much as possible is so that the cost of killing people is as low as possible.

It's not an on/off switch of government regulation. They know that every additional policy they can shift in their favor will translate to increased profits down the line as people inevitably die from these things.

[–] Sixtyforce@sh.itjust.works 39 points 3 days ago

Some of you may die~

But it's a sacrifice I'm willing to make.

[–] IllNess@infosec.pub 39 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Fight Club taught me the cost of human life to corporations.

If PredictedLawsuitLosses < CostOfRecall then RecallNotAnnounced

Human life doesn't factor in at all for them.

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[–] andros_rex@lemmy.world 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This is why capitalists align with fascists.

Google, Meta, etc, are all taking the knee, because no regulation lets them slurp up our data. Target is shooting itself in the foot on DEI to appease stupid Mussolini, because a fascist autocrat doesn’t enforce labor protections.

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[–] Two_Hangmen@midwest.social 61 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Much like the mass shootings in the U.S., there's literally no solution for this. /s

[–] AcidicBasicGlitch@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, what are we 'aposta do?!

Strangle these defenseless corporations with the same kind of regulations we continue to create and impose on small businesses? Do you even know who their father is?!

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[–] nuko147@lemm.ee 53 points 3 days ago (3 children)

So, the USA people are the beta testers, i guess.

[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

only Texans... (with the robotaxis)

[–] Boddhisatva@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago

Texas state legislature has passed a law making it illegal for cities to pass laws more restrictive than the state laws and Austin which is known to be full of progressives. This makes it a perfect place for Tesla to beta-test it's software. They'll kill people likely to vote for Democrats.

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[–] peaceful_world_view@lemmy.world 29 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Let's not get carried away pretending America cares too much about children dying frfr.

[–] Malfeasant@lemm.ee 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah once they're out of the womb, fuck 'em. We only care about the unborn.

[–] halowpeano@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They don't actually care about the unborn either. They just want women to suffer, that's always been the only goal.

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[–] FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au 117 points 3 days ago (1 children)

This one is pretty unforgivable. Supposedly the ability to detect these situations was added in December (according to the article) but it's clearly not working very well. Something like this should 100% pause the rollout of robo-taxis.

For normal cars though, the drivers should press the brakes to disable FSD when they see their car not slowing down when approaching a stopped bus like this.

[–] BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world 89 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

Except the big danger with fully self driving cars is that drivers are not paying attention at all as they have nothing to do most of the time. They'll be on their phones regardless of what theyre supposed to do and that will cause deaths. So such a glaring safety flaw will have numerous opportunities to happen in real life - humans do not make good safety features in cars; thats what the self drive stuff was for.

Teslas self drive technology is not fit for the roads regardless of this. Musk had sensors stripped out pf the cars design to save money because apparently he knows better than all the worlds self drive engineers. The guy is a just an investment bro woth a huge ego - he can't let the people hes investing in get onwith it, because he sees himself as a "genius". The guys a moron.

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[–] DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Texas releasing these things in public is horrifying. Tesla is last in this field, and refuses to add LIDAR, which is obviously what is needed.

[–] AlphaOmega@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (1 children)

My $60 robot vacuum has lidar....

[–] dream_weasel@sh.itjust.works 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Maybe you can get a business going mounting roombas on Tesla bumpers?

[–] GladiusB@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 4 points 1 day ago

I award you the dubious honor of "Best Pun on the Thread"

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[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 21 points 3 days ago (2 children)

The children were hamas obviously

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 62 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Tesla self driving is already responsible for the deaths of multiple people.

They weren't held accountable for those.

Nothing will meaningfully improve until the rich fear for their lives

[–] cronenthal@discuss.tchncs.de 43 points 3 days ago (3 children)

If regular school shootings were no reason to actually do something, why would regular deadly accidents with self driving systems be one? I'm always amazed by what Americans are willing to tolerate.

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[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 38 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I guess there's going to be a lot of heroes popping Robo-Taxi tires. To protect their community and all that.

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

I recall that people blocked Waymo cars at one point by simply placing orange cones in front of them. Given Teslas only use cameras I wonder if you could just slap a sticker of an orange cone (or just a splash of orange paint) on the hood and confuse it enough that it wouldn’t move…

Edit: Or, if you really want to be a dick, get some black stickers (the stronger the glue the better) and surreptitiously put them over one or more cameras.

[–] Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 33 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Given Teslas only use cameras

This still blows my mind. My fucking robot vacuum uses LiDAR, and multi-ton vehicles on public roads use cameras? Jesus Christ.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

"Well you see lidar cameras are expensive. Yeah... that's the excuse. No more questions" - Tesla whenever they are asked to explain themselves

[–] IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world 24 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Actually the excuse Musk uses is that humans only use their eyes to drive, so that’s enough for cars as well.

Wrong on so many levels…

[–] Alaik@lemmy.zip 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Right... except for hearing horns, sirens or brakes screeching. Feeling a bump in the road and using the tactile feedback to determine if you should swerve or stop.

Elon Musk has been chaffeured the vast majority of his life and it shows.

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[–] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 34 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Did they try it with a lighter colored child?

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[–] NoForwardslashS@sopuli.xyz 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Correction: Robo-Taxis Hit the Child in 2 Weeks

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[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 39 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

I knew I was better than a Tesla. I actually got my Class A for driving a school bus. I can legally drive pretty much anything on wheels, because the school bus pretty much requires everything. Even hazardous material training. Just in case the government needs to use a school bus to offload nuclear waste or something. I just like to think the kids are toxic. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[–] Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

When I worked with kids, there were a lot of biohazards. Mostly shit, snot, and piss, but on a bus you'll probably get a fair bit of puke too. I'm guessing the driver has to clean the bus.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago (8 children)

Move fast and break things!

[–] nodiratime@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

A German party campaigned under the slogan "Digital first. Bedenken second" (Sic, i.e. mostly english). Bedenken means concerns.

They were punished pretty hard last election.

[–] frostysauce@lemmy.world 11 points 3 days ago

Move fast and break ~~things~~ schoolchildren!

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[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 15 points 3 days ago

I wonder if the FSD disengaged mere seconds before impact so Tesla can blame anything but their shitty software.

[–] franzcoz@feddit.cl 32 points 3 days ago

It's because it was so good that it knew it was a dummy and not a child /s

[–] nthavoc@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They should throw in a loony tunes landscape for extra comedic value.

[–] chaogomu@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

Mark Rober already did that.

[–] venusaur@lemmy.world 28 points 3 days ago (5 children)

The article doesn’t mention anything about where the cars will be driving in Austin, but I reluctantly took a Waymo from the airport in Phoenix to a hotel and it did really well. Even slowed down for a guy who was jaywalking.

It ended up taking longer than expected because apparently they’re either require or trained on different roads than you would normally take (e.g. no highways). It did such a good job, though, that I ended up taking a Waymo a second time while there.

All this to say that it may not be ready for all roads, but is ready for some. Definitely still scary though.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 76 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

I believe Waymo has a better set of sensors (Lidar + Radar+ Cameras instead of just cameras), more processing power, and more research / time / resources spent on it compared to Tesla.

So it's not that we aren't ready for self driving taxis, but rather about which cars are ready to provide that service

[–] ShittyBeatlesFCPres@lemmy.world 46 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think Waymo is also trying to prioritize safety. I was in San Francisco recently and took one, just out of curiosity, from my hotel to a Giants game. It seemed to stop when pedestrian traffic got heavy instead of going all the way to the stadium. So, like three blocks from the stadium. No biggie. I might have told a human taxi driver I could walk from there.

I’m not sure if it’s a California regulation or Waymo trying to play it safe but I will never get in a self-driving car regulated by Texas and designed to the specifications of one of history’s biggest dumbasses.

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[–] KayLeadfoot@fedia.io 26 points 3 days ago (6 children)

Waymo is really interesting - you probably wouldn't guess it, I'm a cautiously optimistic autonomy person! Waymo is already 12x safer than human drivers, that's brilliant, I love that.

Teslas will (allegedly) start on a small, low-complexity street grid in Austin. exact size TBA. Presumably, they're mapping the shit out of it and throwing compute power at analyzing their existing data for that postage stamp.

The rub... that all points out the obvious danger of rolling out the wild-west FSD that Tesla drivers are currently employing everywhere else. If it's safe enough to trust to drive your car for you, why does it need a ton of additional guard-rails to operate without a safety driver?

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[–] Litebit@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Elon is not going to personally take responsibility for his cars?

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