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A new survey showing that 82 percent of Jewish Israelis support the expulsion of Gazans was met with disbelief among those who stubbornly believe that the extremists are outliers. But these trends are as consistent as they are shocking

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[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 127 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (8 children)

The Israeli media has been full of overt calls for and endorsements of just outright genocide for over a year now.

At one point a prime time media show was 'debating' just fucking nuking Gaza.

Israeli social media has also been absolutely full of average people with genocidal rhetoric for over a year.

... They just say it in Hebrew, not English... most of the time.

This isn't suprising to anyone who can use google translate, or read supplied English subtitles/captions.

[–] Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 52 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

Reading about this stuff on the Israeli lead news network KAN is... Interesting. When the complete eradication of Gazans is being talked about it's very blasé and never takes responsibility. For example, this report says Hamas are in fact the ones screwing up Gaza aid efforts, and this one richly claims that the IDF did not kill anyone at an aid site. The IDF alleges that they investigated themselves and found that they weren't guilty.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 3 days ago (7 children)

The entire last twoish years have have been doubly insane for people like myself, because:

Though I am not Jewish, my cousins all are. They are all secular, American, liberal to lefty Jews by the heritage and ethnicity of their father, and his culture that they maintain.

They are all against the genocide, but according to current, general, right wing sentiment... they either don't exist or are self hating.

I can only imagine this has all been even more insane for them.

Nearly every pro-Palestine protest on every campus in the US that I've read about or seem... has at bare minimum had sizeable numbers of Jewish Americans at it, if not being co-organized by them or headlining them as speakers.

... Meanwhile, I've been anti Zionist my whole life, and every single actual Israeli I've ever met has been a racist, anti-Islamic Zionist... and when I point this out, almost every white liberal or self described lefty has called me an antisemite.

Then on my own side of the family, my dad and my uncle just actually are racist anti-semites, making 'off color jokes' about Jews being greedy and money obsessed at fucking family gatherings literally in the faces of my cousins and their dad.

Oh well I guess?

Politics evolves to become defined by the hypocrises and contradictions no one is capable of having a rational discussion about.

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[–] nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (44 children)

as someone with Israeli friends, I always figured this to be the case. they bemoan having to think about bomb shelters because of the occasional rocket that gets fired over into israel. they legitimately believe that Muslim countries hate them, and Muslims in general want to kill them. they live in the Old testament of the Bible, and anything that happens to Gaza is the will of God.

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 days ago (3 children)

“they legitimately believe that Muslim countries hate them, and Muslims in general want to kill them”

Do you have any experience with the press in their neighboring countries? There are absolutely some sources pushing this narrative in the opinion sections from time to time. I used to read The Daily Star (Lebanon) to follow Israeli news from a non-Israeli perspective and would see this in that paper a few times a year.

By no means am I suggesting that the billions of Muslims uniformly want to kill Israelis but the percentage that does isn’t zero.

[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

On the other hand, Israel is an existential threat to every nation around it. If there was an aggressive theocratic ethnostate expansionist threatening your border, wouldn't you hate them?

Israel doesn't just want Palestine. They want the West Bank, Gaza, and all or large chunks of Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, and Egypt. Expelling the Gazans from Gaza won't solve this. The Israelis want to do the following:

  1. Expel the Gazans just over the border into shanty towns in neighboring countries.

  2. Some displaced people in those areas will inevitably sneak back over the border to carry out revenge attacks against the people that stole their homes.

  3. When (2) happens, use that as a justification to invade neighboring countries and seize additional land.

Israel has been slowly expanding its borders this way for decades. They seize an area of land, declare it a military buffer zone, but then let their civilians move into the buffer zone. They use their own population as human shields, putting them in danger of attacks by displaced Arabs. Then when this happens, they use this as an excuse to expand their borders further.

If you had a psychopathic country for a neighbor, that intended to slowly gobble up your own nation bit by bit, wouldn't you want them all dead?

[–] QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Israel isn’t a theocratic state. Im not sure why you would even suggest that it was as their PM is not a religious figure.

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[–] wanderwisley@lemm.ee 87 points 3 days ago

As a Native American my heart goes out to all Palestinians effected by these ignorant Zionist we must be better than this we can be better than this.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 21 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If you know anything about the genocidal ideology of zionism, this should be absolutely no surprise. It's always been like this. Haven't people watched any interviews with zios? Don't y'all know any zios? These people are brainwashed racists at best.

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[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I noticed on LinkedIn that a ton of my former colleagues from Israel are now in the US. I think shifting demographics as progressives leave are a bigger part of the story than the shifting opinions these stories have been about.

[–] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

The wider truth is that anyone who's remotely sane or empathetic is driven out of the zio regime. I have a friend who grew up under the regime and resisted the mandatory terrorism. He was put in prison, then he was harassed and threatened with death until he fled to USA. This dude is an exceptionally great person and for that reason he was violently forced out.

So whom does that leave over there? Only the most genocidal wackos. Thus, this completely unsurprising poll.

[–] driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Also work the other way around, Jewish people from around the world that don't accept the genocide being committed on their name are not going to move to Israel, while tha ones that are OK and support it are more likely to move in and participate directly.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

Yeah exactly. I was just thinking my kid will probably never see it because I can't imagine visiting ever again.

[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 60 points 3 days ago

Shocking. Israel has successfully dehumanized the entire Palestinian population.

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/social-media/israel-posts-video-saying-are-no-innocent-civilians-gaza-rcna157111

This was over a year ago:

"Israeli government accounts on the social media site X have been posting a video with a quote from a freed hostage, in which she says that “there are no innocent civilians” in Gaza."

[–] kokesh@lemmy.world 22 points 3 days ago

Anyone surprised? Nasi state governed by nazis, who were elected by nazis thinking they are more than others. Fuck israel.

[–] alquicksilver@lemmy.world 54 points 3 days ago

Absolutely disgusting. Our common ancestors are rolling over in their graves at their inhumanity.

[–] blitzen@lemmy.ca 50 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Say it loud for those in the back, it’s not just the leaders.

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[–] Naevermix@lemmy.world 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just like in Nazi Germany, the entire Israeli population is complicit.

[–] theacharnian@lemmy.ca 21 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Not to be super technical but "most" is not the same as "all".

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