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[–] RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world 10 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)
  • racism
  • white supremacy
  • imperialism
  • judeo-christian values
  • western civilization
  • only democracy in the middle east

take your pick

Israel violates international laws and has been since 1948, invades its neighbours and commits genocide, and western media still portrays it as a victim.

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 6 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

being persecuted for decades/centuries priors helps shield them from any criticism, because they can claim anti-semitism every time.

[–] SattaRIP@lemmy.blahaj.zone 0 points 9 hours ago

The persecution isn't even theirs. Sure they'd likely have relatives affected by the Holocaust of WW2, but these are the the Jewish people who were rich enough to escape it. Actual Holocaust of WW2 survivors live under the poverty line in Isn'treal.

[–] viking@infosec.pub 4 points 15 hours ago

I'll throw post WW2 apologetics into the ring. Can't blame Israel publicly without risking career suicide, both in politics and corporate.

[–] REDACTED@infosec.pub 4 points 15 hours ago

What's with these weird imaginary articles? The media has talked enough about their nukes, western youtube is filled with documentaries and western wiki has detailed info on vela incident and other related information, not even talking about the fact that I, a westerner, learned about Israel's nukes from western media. Idiocy.

As an example: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/15/truth-israels-secret-nuclear-arsenal

[–] MTK@lemmy.world 15 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Pretty simple. Currently not all nations have nukes, out of those who have, a few have enough to completely destroy a rival nation. This means that the nations with the big nuke stocks are the ones calling the shots as to who should have nukes and how much. Iran being mostly against the US is not allowed nukes, Israel being mostly a US ally is allowed nukes.

This is the unpolitical explanation.

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

we really should have some deal to allow Iran to have access to nuclear power under supervision

[–] Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 points 13 hours ago

trump departed from that agreement.

[–] turtlesareneat@discuss.online 9 points 18 hours ago

We used to have that, Trump 45 ripped it up.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 26 points 23 hours ago (4 children)

Iran needs nukes to defend itself from a nuclear armed aggressor. Everyone needs nukes for that reason. Greenland needs nukes to protect itself from the US.

[–] the_crotch@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 hours ago

Greenland is part of Denmark, which is part of NATO and the EU. That means they technically have UK's, France's, and the US's nukes.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 points 20 hours ago

Yeah after ukraine, i don't think anyobe else will ever make that mistake again.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 4 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Probability of nuclear war rises with number of states having nukes. It's best to keep that number as low as possible, so I would not think it wise for Greenland to have nukes. It would not be a sin for Iran to have them, though, given Iran's allies aren't exactly offering a nuclear umbrella.

[–] Deflated0ne@lemmy.world 5 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

That is the conventional wisdom. Wisdom written by people with nukes who can't stop bullying everyone else.

[–] jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 points 18 hours ago

the conventional wisdom checks out to me. Sometimes bullies happen to be right.

[–] outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

best to keep the number low

Yeah it would be cool if Ukraine was a positive example of what happens when you surrender your nuclear weapons.

How about we all just agree to glass any religious fanatics, especially ethnostates, that get their hands on the things?

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 23 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

We should welcome an Iranian bomb. Honestly, it's what the Middle East really needs to bring it to stability.

The biggest destabilizing force in the Middle East is Israel. They're a destabilizing force because they're an expansionist nuclear-armed power with no hard borders. Their borders aren't actually fixed; they're in a decades-long process to slowly expand them. For those who forget, Israel's MO is to:

  1. Destabilize border regions of neighboring countries and foster the creation of militant groups within them.
  2. Use those destabilized regions as justification for military occupation of the territory of neighboring countries.
  3. Announce the creation of border "buffer zones."
  4. Allow their civilians to move into what is supposed to be a DMZ-like buffer zone.
  5. Again have civilians in the line of fire of militants, demanding further border expansion.

Israel has been expanding like this for decades, and there's no end in site. Their immediate neighbors are all to weak and destabilized to resist this process of slow Israeli lebensraum. The people in the Middle East are rightly afraid that they'll be next under the Israeli boot, and they'll find themselves reduced to the plight of the Gazans.

Israel is out of control. It's an expansionist military power hellbent on gobbling up its neighbors. The reason they're able to get away with this is because they have nuclear weapons. No Arab nation can invade them without the threat of being nuked in return. Israel uses its nuclear arsenal to conquer its neighbors.

Another nuclear power is desperately needed in the region to hold them in check. A nuclear Iran would serve this role well. They wouldn't be able to wipe Israel off the map, as that would result in them getting nuked in return. What a nuclear-armed Iran can do is to finally put a check on Israel's endless military expansion. We need powers that can stand up to the Israelis as equals and say, "no. Your borders are fucking big enough. You're not taking one more square meter of land."

[–] ChairmanMeow@programming.dev 8 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

As much as I agree that Israel is a destabilizing force and that you have their MO fairly spot on, Israel doesn't seem to be using its nuclear arsenal as a deterrent for invasion. They don't have to, they have significant conventional forces with US backing, making invasion nigh-impossible anyway. That's how it went in the past at least with the various regional wars.

I'm not sure an Iranian bomb would stabilize much if anything. Israel sees it as a direct existential threat and will stop at nothing to prevent or disable such a weapon. Iran has also repeatedly threatened to use it on Israel offensively, which doesn't really bode well for peace either. Suppose Iran does lob a bomb at Israel, how would they respond? Or what if Israel strikes first? I don't trust either party to be reasonable and responsible here tbh.

Iran can't use the weapon to threaten Israel as you say, because it'd be an empty threat. Iran can't nuke Israel without getting nuked right back. Israel knows this, so they can continue their expansions just fine.

MAD doctrine prevents nuclear wars from breaking out, but as we have been seeing recently it doesn't prevent conventional wars.

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In an oligarchy, corporate media is state media.

[–] ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 17 hours ago

The world ends because a bunch of elderly white dudes want to measure dicks. Yay!

[–] carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 1 day ago

because they’re trying to manufacture consent for a war with Iran

[–] CtrlAltDefeat@sh.itjust.works 5 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Everyone's got them but nobody uses them. So do they really need them or just need to convince other countries that they have them.

[–] Hadriscus@jlai.lu 5 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

not every country has a nuclear arsenal

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[–] sudo@programming.dev 123 points 1 day ago (29 children)

Because then the US any every other IAEA signatory would be obligated to sanction Israel which would be the end of Israel's economy.

No news media dares mention it because they have no proof and would both loose any insider access and get buried in libel cases.

[–] sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (1 children)

Hahha there is tons of proof, if you use the standard the US used to claim Iraq had WMD and then invade them.

Difference being that Israel actually has nukes and does everything they can for a very long time to stop the IAEA from getting assigned to look at them...

...and Saddam actually let weapons inspectors in, because the only chemical weapons he still had were old artillery shells we fucking sold him in the 80s, ageing and leaking in a few armories that had been cordoned off as hazardous waste dumps.

....

Howabout the fact that Israel has a nuclear weapons doctrine?

That you can find random essays written by West Point grads in 30 seconds of websearching... that are about Israel's nuclear doctrine?

https://mwi.westpoint.edu/israel-samson-option-interconnected-world/

Despite Israel also having a 'nuclear ambiguity' policy?

Despite also Ephraim Katzir, Moshe Dayan, Shimon Peres and Ehud Olmert all actually making public statements that Israel does have nuclear weapons?

That they caused a giant fucking scandal back in the 60s by stealing actual fissile material from NUMEC, a US company that uh, refines weapons grades uranium?

Look up 'Apollo Affair'.

That the CIA believed Israel had working nukes back in '75?

That they conducted a nuclear test in cooperation with South Africa in '79?

'Vela Incident'.

That the French helped them build an enrichment facility outside of Dimona in the Negev, that an unclassified US report released in 1980 concluded its had working, functional capacity since 1965?

https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015011997288&view=1up&seq=433

...

Why?

Why doesn't the world openly call out this bullshit?

Well it certainly couldn't have anything to do with Mossad and Jeffery Epstein, no sir, nothing like that, definitely not that.

[–] sudo@programming.dev 3 points 18 hours ago (3 children)

Sorry for the confusion when I said "no proof". I meant "no official sources". Everyone knows Israel has nukes they just have to pretend they aren't for the legal reasons I stated.

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[–] Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 17 points 1 day ago (5 children)

MSM has talked about Israel's nukes. Can't remember which channel it was, but yesterday they were doing a comparison between Israel's and Iran's offense & defense capabilities.

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