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This is a truly WTF moment about messed up responses to X11 session removal in Gnome.

2 weeks ago I published a blogpost about the upcoming plans of GNOME 49 and the eventual removal of the X11 session. Since then, instead of looking at feedback, bugs and issues related to the topic, we all collectively had to deal with the following, and I am not exaggerating one bit:

  • Fascists and Nazis
  • Wild Conspiracy Theories that make Qanon jealous
  • “Concerned” Trolling about the Accessibility of the Wayland session
  • A culture war where Wayland is Gay, and X11 is the glorious past they stole from you

In my wildest dreams I could have never made this shit up. You all need mandatory supervised access to the Internet from now on.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 39 points 5 days ago

There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here

So who took the blog post down at Gnome?

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 50 points 5 days ago (9 children)

X11 AND Wayland are for degenerates, a distraction at best but mostly just something that wastes CPU cycles and RAM.

THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!

[–] tal@lemmy.today 12 points 4 days ago

THE FUTURE IS TERMINAL!

The past and present are also terminal.

[–] Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 5 days ago (1 children)

obviously the future is shoving the ethernet cable up your ass and dialing in directly

[–] ICastFist@programming.dev 12 points 5 days ago

That would explain 70% of the shit you can find on the internet

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[–] trevor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 118 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This probably has a lot to do with the new DOA XServer fork being "anti-DEI" (pro-discrimination). When these slimy shitweasels go out and vice signal about how bigoted they are, they congregate around it and form a new harassment campagin because they have no life.

Sorry you're getting harassed. I hope you can take solace in the fact that these little pissbabies lead miserable lives.

[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 31 points 5 days ago
[–] codexarcanum@lemmy.dbzer0.com 73 points 5 days ago (2 children)

There is no place for Fascists within the Open Source and Free Software communities or the society at large. You will never fester your poisonous roots here. Go back to the cave you crawled out from where no sunlight can reach.

NAZI! DEVS! FUCK! OFF! 💯

[–] the_wiz@feddit.org 11 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Nazis AND Devs should fuck of?

[–] gwilikers@lemmy.ml 10 points 4 days ago

No. Nazis should fuck off.

Devs should just fuck.

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[–] TechieDamien@lemmy.ml 63 points 5 days ago (4 children)

Wayland is gay?! I need to get off my ass and finally switch then!

[–] LiveLM@lemmy.zip 31 points 5 days ago

Can confirm, having my different refresh rate monitors play nice with each other is extremely homosexual.

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[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 28 points 5 days ago (27 children)

I do think ditching X11 is still slightly premature. For all its more modern features, there's still a lot that Wayland either hasn't implemented yet or "can't do" because of its "security model."

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[–] Xylight@lemdro.id 21 points 5 days ago

Looks like I have been an early adopter of Gay™️

[–] DollyDuller@programming.dev 26 points 5 days ago (1 children)
[–] Mihies@programming.dev 13 points 5 days ago

Once on internet, forever on internet :) Thanks.

[–] RickyRigatoni@retrolemmy.com 50 points 6 days ago (4 children)

Is this an effect of the microplastics in our brains?

[–] drspod@lemmy.ml 61 points 6 days ago

It's the effect of a persistent decades-long disinformation campaign perpetrated by those who wish to destabilize western democracies which has been signal-boosted by naive (or maliciously designed) recommendation algorithms on social media platforms.

[–] UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world 30 points 6 days ago (2 children)

So far they have only made me more gay

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[–] CoyoteFacts@piefed.ca 49 points 6 days ago (2 children)

As a commenter on that post says, this sort of talk is also common in the comments of Phoronix articles. The commenter says they've completely stopped supporting Phoronix since it's clear that Michael enables this behavior by not moderating it (the least he could do is disable commenting; the type of people that are in the Phoronix comments are the absolute worst). It's been festering for a very long time, unfortunately. Click any Phoronix article that's older than a day and check the negativity. Worse, click an article about a controversial topic like X11/Wayland/Systemd/bcachefs/KDE/GNOME/etc. and it's just a shitshow.

I've been seeing it to a lesser degree here as well. I don't know what it is about X11 that really riles up the conspiracy theorists.

[–] Feyd@programming.dev 25 points 5 days ago

YES. Phoronix articles are good but the comment sections are insane. There are a few very vocal users that would have been banned on any reasonably moderated forum, and they largely chase out the reasonable people.

Also, occasionally there is an article about CoC or something that is obviously going to bring the loonies out of the woodwork. The comment section will get closed, but not until after the giant flamewar has gone on for a bit. Michael has to know that's going to happen and make the decision not to close it immediately when he makes the post.

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[–] potatoguy@potato-guy.space 40 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

All these "concerned" comments about systemd, wayland, etc, always seemed dog whistling to me. I have critiques about these projects, but the specific things this specific type of people says always comes coded in some form of racism/transphobic/mysoginistic rethoric. Just changed from gamergate to linuxgate.

So i'm not surprised that they turned mask off like this.

Look at any anti-systemd channel, the comments are always the worst thing ever. Some lkml reading channels have these comments too.

[–] cubism_pitta@lemmy.world 30 points 5 days ago

The systemd and the Wayland debate both feel very similar.

At the end of the day the old method of using init scripts was becoming inadequate and needed to change

Wayland debate seems the same, switching to Wayland has been talked about for over a decade. The change has been coming and frankly I was expecting it a lot earlier

Whats neat about linux though is if you have nothing better to do and are knowledgeable enough to bitch about all of this; then you also have the technical prowess to standup an install of your favorite distro and get it to use X instead of Wayland and init scripts instead of systemd

For me as an enduser I hope Wayland enables more modern features to be delivered more easily as X has felt old for a while.

[–] ricecake@sh.itjust.works 24 points 6 days ago (4 children)

I'm just confused. Like, how would someone even connect Linux software to those topics?
I totally believe you that they do, and I'm not actually interested in hearing messed up shit, I'm just...

If you asked me which topics were unlikely to have bizarre vile messaging I would have listed window managers and init systems pretty high in the list.

[–] Telorand@reddthat.com 27 points 6 days ago (6 children)

You need to think of the kind of people that are interested in nerdy computing topics. Regular people that just want to make something nice to share with the world, sure, but also incels, toxic masculinity proponents, etc.

They're mostly able to hide, because like you point out, computer science and related topics are mostly apolitical; when you make scary changes, however, those same latter people can't help themselves but to blame the villainous "They."

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[–] lurch@sh.itjust.works 36 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (10 children)

It's not like X11 will disappear immediately after that. People who need it just have to switch from Gnome to a cooler window manager 🤷

It's really not a big deal.

From my experience, I guesstimate X11 will be around for another 20 years after that and maybe some hillbilly will even make a Gnome fork that still supports X11. Then there will be X12 one day 😆

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[–] mintiefresh@lemmy.ca 21 points 5 days ago

Haha what the hell did I just read

[–] miracleorange@beehaw.org 7 points 4 days ago

On the one hand, the guy who wrote this blog post is kinda unhinged.

On the other hand, I'm kinda living for it and agree with his views.

So really it all evens out in the end.

[–] ViatorOmnium@piefed.social 22 points 5 days ago

Is it so surprising that the mindset that makes people unable to face changes in one area of their lives also makes them unable to face changes in other areas?

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