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    [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 79 points 1 week ago (17 children)

    I never understand this mindset because a person who is technically skilled like this is exactly the kind of person who wouldn’t struggle with Linux.

    They’re already the kind of person who would be an excellent Linux user. I can only imagine that, for whatever reason, they’ve grown emotionally attached and are simply too stubborn to consider anything else.

    [–] InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 73 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    My favorite is the pcmr type that says Linux is to hard, but their comment history recommends registry edits to keep edge from becoming the default browser or something stupid.

    [–] antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    I didn't know I'm already a computer pro by following a couple of idiot-proof steps I found by googling.

    [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 40 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

    Unironically, yes. That’s not nearly as common sense as you may think. There’s no such thing as idiot-proof steps. To some you may very well be a pro from that alone.

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    [–] jim3692@discuss.online 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    There is no such thing as idiot-proof steps to tamper the registry. Most of those registry keys are not documented, and it's very hard to be completely sure about what you are touching.

    If you need a debloated experience, install LTSC.

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    [–] rustydrd@sh.itjust.works 68 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (8 children)

    Guys, I'm a Linux user, too, but can we stop having these fake arguments, please?

    Many such cases

    I never met anyone in real life who said the stuff shown in this meme. The handful of comments here are few and far between.

    Spent two weeks debloating

    The folks who care enough to debloat are either already on Linux or would spend maybe 1-2h to make a few fixes, before they get something they are okay with.

    Just install Linux

    For those who stick with Windows, it's often more than "just switching". They may need certain software, they may not be tech-savvy, they may be insecure about whether they could handle the occasional hiccup on a system that is completely new to them. All valid reasons for hesitation, and "just switch" is about as helpful as "just cheer up".

    Because learning Linux would take time.

    I've used Linux for 15 years now, and I'm still constantly learning new things. Linux is so much more usable now than it ever was, and I also think more people should switch. But suggesting that you "learn Linux" in two weeks' time is just silly and dishonest IMO.

    I wish we as a community could stop with this sense of superiority and actually acknowledge people's humane struggles to help them make the move.

    [–] simple@piefed.social 35 points 1 week ago (2 children)

    I wish we as a community could stop with this sense of superiority

    Not possible in a Linux community. They have only three jokes:

    • Fuck windows

    • I'm so smart for using the superior software stack (and everybody is an idiot for not switching)

    • and my personal favorite: constantly trying to trick people into using FOSS software by telling everybody they're as good even in cases where they're clearly not (bro please use GIMP it's actually really good bro as soon as you understand its archaic 1998 user interface it's just as good as photoshop bro please)

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    [–] nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 44 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    It'd be nice if public schools used Linux for coursework instead of Windows. But it seems they settled with chromebooks, so now kids are even worse off.

    [–] Shadow_Glider@piefed.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 week ago (4 children)

    Ironic that they are on Linux, as ChromeOS is Gentoo, but it's the worst possible distro to use.

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    [–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    There’s known knowns, known unknowns, and unknown unknowns. The first requires a lot less brainpower than the last.

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    [–] anarchy79@lemmy.world 29 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    Linux takes a long time to learn and is often quirky and strange in unexpected ways- life long Windows users already know how horrible Windows is and its quirky strange behaviors.

    We stick with what we know. Unlearning behaviors is doubly hard when replacing them with something better.

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    [–] hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 28 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (27 children)

    I am one of those people.

    I'm sorry but I can't dedicate the time. Last time I tried to install it for someone else I went down a 5h rabbit hole of finding a driver for a scanner, and I was at the point where I had custom pkg repositories and needed to fix pkg dependency conflicts myself and I don't have the OS knowledge to do all this, and I didn't have time because I had to travel back again.

    When I tried installing it for myself, I was missing critical software for a variety of things. For example, there's no good DAW on Linux, and even if there was, lots of VST plugins are only Linux compatible. Things like Adobe Premiere Pro and Adobe After Effects have no solid alternative to this day for Linux and hence I'm struggling to replace them. Blender is on Linux (obv) but for example render engines usually only come with software for windows.

    And then there's a bunch of things where I'm not sure how compatible they are even if they were to run on Linux. Office uses proprietary file format constraints to lock down their ecosystem. Sucks, but everyone uses it, so I'm stuck. Unreal Engine, lots games, my audio interface, drivers for obscure small devices I need? I just don't know and I have to dedicate time to researching all of it.

    I hope you can see why someone like me has a very hard time just switching over. Yes I can just pull the plug and do it, but I will get no work done for a solid 2 weeks and even after that I will be heavily constrained.

    And this all on top of the fact that I regularly set up Linux VMs for specific things which break way too often on regular use. Which also does not spark joy.

    I hope you can understand why I'm fine debloating windows with Chris Titus for half an hour and then just enjoying 4 years on it without worrying about all of that is easier.

    And believe me, I bought a notebook and will try to go CachyOS x KDE Plasma on that, but it will be an experiment and I have lots of doubt that this can replace my setup.

    [–] HugeStone8574@discuss.tchncs.de 13 points 1 week ago (6 children)

    Funny how people write a long essay why they stay on Windows, claiming what a hassle it is to set up Linux. Sure, you might know how do deal with Windows, but don't expect that other systems work the same way. Windows is the odd one.

    If you depend on Windows-only software, there is nothing wrong with sticking to it. Use the system that fits your needs the most.

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    [–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 24 points 1 week ago (33 children)

    Actually, stop telling people to "learn" linux. Linux is either supposed to be easily navigable without the Command Line, or it's not the right thing for most people.

    Either dumb it down, or don't expect people to learn it.

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    [–] OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 12 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    windows debloating brought me more issues than using Linux, if windows is truly that much of an ass then you might as well have it as an option in a dual boos setup where you use it only when necessary (preferably non-debloated so it doesn't fuck itself when you need it)

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    [–] Goretantath@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago (3 children)

    2 weeks? More like 10 mins..

    [–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (11 children)

    Until the next re-bloating update where your settings get reverted and services re-installed.

    Being good at de-bloating (as you may very well be to do that in a few minutes!) is an anti-skill that shouldn't have to exist.

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    [–] PlzGivHugs@sh.itjust.works 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

    I mean, 10 minutes is pretty optimistic even for a relatively savy user. It took me somewhere around an hour to find and fix everything. On the other hand, it took me and a bunch of people on the Linux support subreddit around 20 hours of troubleshooting to get Linux into a mostly functional state on my PC, at which point I and everyone else had given up, so...

    Its been nearly two years since then though, and given what a nightmare Windows 11 is, I guess I'll have to give it another shot.

    [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

    Nah, it isn't optimistic.

    If you install Windows enough, you just get yourself an install script that disables all the things you don't want.

    Running that script takes less than 10 minutes. I know because I use it often.

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    [–] Lembot_0004@discuss.online 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

    10 minutes is enough only for "Oh, that's too difficult, let's pretend that I'm content with Windows as it is"

    [–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 1 points 6 days ago

    That is like saying 10 minutes isn't even enough to read all the different distros names, let alone pick one. It misses the point.

    I can debloat a computer in less than 10 minutes because I do it often when installing a computer for a user. Just run a script that completely removes packages that aren't needed on work computers.

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