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The data showed that people who ate as little as one hot dog a day when it comes to processed meats had an 11% greater risk of type 2 diabetes and a 7% increased risk of colorectal cancer than those who didn’t eat any.
Now do the data for Iberian ham. Isn't there a confounding factor of income? Or health-conciousness at least
Who the fuck is eating "as little as one Hotdog per day"?
WHO IS EATING TUBE STEAK EVERY DAY?!?
CNN seems to be under the misbelief that I want to live longer. 46 is already too long.
So… if we eat an unrealistic amount of processed meat we will get sick?
Who knew?
Next they’ll tell us that swallowing even 1 mouthful of hydrogen peroxide mouthwash is unsafe.
Habitual consumption of even small amounts of processed meat, sugary drinks, and trans fatty acids...
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The data showed that people who ate as little as one hot dog a day ...
As little as one hot dog a day? I eat like one every few months. How many hot dogs is the average American eating daily?
You don't have a daily dog? What else would you eat after dinner?
No hot dog surprise cereal either, apparently!
I think "hot dog" was used as an example here. A hot dog has around 50 grams of meat (1.8 oz).
I would be really surprised if most people average one a week. But that doesn't mean it's not happening.
Yeah but does lunch meat count?
I ate some pepperoni on pizza, that surely is doing damage.
So if I eat 1 gram of processed meat, am I gonna die or something?
Eventually, yes
as little as one hot dog a day
That is a lot processed meat to be eating if its every single day. Who is buying more than a pack of sausages per person each week? Also hot dog sausages are surely some of the worst sausages for being highly processed. Don't forget about the strange bread used in hot dogs too. That must have a shitload of stuff added to it or it would be stale and mouldy. Bread shouldn't still be fresh days later.
Who is buying more than a pack of sausages per person each week?
Poor people
Been there, and hotdogs are far and away not the cheapest protein.
Chicken breast and thighs traded blows back and forth as the cheapest meat per lb in my grocery store when I was scraping by a few years ago. I'm vegan now, but I can just as easily say dry beans as being a viable alternative.
I did this calculation a while ago (didn't include hot dogs, because 🤮). But whey protein absolutely stomped every other protein source in terms of cost effectiveness. This really isn't surprising considering it is a dehydrated, shelf stable source of pretty much pure protein, which also (iirc) is a waste product of cheese making. So you are basically buying something they want to give away for free, which has no cost to keep it cool, no need to move product before it spoils, no additional weight of water or bone to transport. They just add some flavoring and sweetener and bam! You're jacked!
You can also just not eat meat very often to help keep costs down. For the 2 of us this week we have a single pack of 600g which is above average for us.
Sometimes get tinned mackerel which is much less total meat, but it's got a stronger flavour than chicken or pork so it can go further in a meal. I would look at catching crabs from the harbour but my partner refuses to eat them.
also celery salt, or juice in those bougie organic hot dogs, in places like whole foods is all nitrates too. nitrate/nitrite salts have distinctive taste and smell. many orgnaic brands might have celery salt. your safe if the ingredients isnt mentioning any salts or celery.
when your heating up nitrates, it forms things like nitrosamine which have been implicated in lab studies of causing cancer in model organisms.
smoked and UNCURED meat might still have the same nitrates in them.
Like... is it written to excite anxiety?
Getting a colorectal cancer probability in a lifetime is about 0.04, eating hotdog adds 8% to it or ~0.003. I like how precisely we can measure it using regular statistics, but what does it tell to a human being? To me it tells nothing about hotdogs
I guess the point is that it shows the correlation between processed food and cancer is statistically significant. As in there is definitely a link, and this meta analysis shows good evidence this link exists. Even if the impact is small.
As for the day to day impact of this study, I'm not sure there is one. Processed food is already on WHOs list of things that definitely cause cancer.
Getting a colorectal cancer probability in a lifetime is about 0.04, eating hotdog adds 8% to it or ~0.003.
Depending on the average amount of processed meats eaten, it could also show not eating a hot dog every day will reduce your risk of cancer by about that much. It's probably only important in the cumulative though. When we have studies like this for many foods, you could put together a diet that reduces your chance of cancer by 20 or 30%, say. But one food's impact like this is probably only important to scientists.
So getting back to your original question:
Like... is it written to excite anxiety?
Yes. Anxiety drives clicks which drives revenue.
I guess 7 hotdogs a day is a little high...
What is the definition of “processed” here? blended meat? high salt %? specific preservatives? artificial casing?
Also what definition of "safe".
My grandpa eats at least one burger per week and he's turning 90 next year. So obviously "safe" isn't a measure of imminent and near term death?
As always, unsafe never means 100% chance to kill. Not wearing s seatbelt while driving is unsafe, but it doesn't mean that you will not be able to survive to 90 is you're lucky.
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Similar research from around a year ago:
"Introduction Ultra-processed foods, as defined using the Nova food classification system, encompass a broad range of ready to eat products, including packaged snacks, carbonated soft drinks, instant noodles, and ready- made meals. 1 These products are characterised as industrial formulations primarily composed of chemically modified substances extracted from foods, along with additives to enhance taste, texture, appearance, and durability, with minimal to no inclusion of whole foods. 2 "
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Fuck academia and fuck publishers
Here's the full pdf, for free, for everyone
What a vague definition that totally misses the specifics that matter. There's an overwhelming variety of food additives.
Do you know where they eat some of the most processed food in the world? Japan. Some of the highest life expectancy in the world.
What are they doing differently? Without knowing what exactly the commonalities are, there is no value to this study.
im okay with not living to 100 at this point, life is short, and id like it to be shorter.
"I would never commit suicide, but I would like to die naturally soon." - Zoltan Kaszas
What an insane headline.
First meta data analysis.
Second, “This current research has shown, yet again and consistent with prior research … that to achieve health gains it is best to avoid or minimize the habitual consumption of each of processed meat, sugar-sweetened beverages (SSBs) and industrially produced trans fatty acids (TFAs),”
So don't eat a ton of shit every day. Got it. The CNN version of super size me propaganda rage bait.
You're shitty at science and spreading propaganda. Feel bad about yourself.
Too bad, eating it anyways. Besides, the government will kill me first.
I'd like to be sealed in a sous vide bag, that way I can be perpetually protected from anything that tastes good and live forever.
Would this mean that cultured-cell meat would be unhealthy too?
If I were to guess the biggest problem is modified fats and high temperature processing are the biggest dangers
So no, lab grown meat wouldn't have that problem provided they don't use modified fats or steam canning you should be fine.
The thing is whatever trace contaminants are in the substrate will manifest in concentration in the meat