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[–] Longmactoppedup@aussie.zone 44 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They really came out of the wood work when the covid vaccines were released. Friends and acquaintances who were there munching down e's of unknown origin back in early 2000s suddenly had a different stance about putting something "unknown" in them.

[–] slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Pre pandemic i know one real life antivaxxer. Vut even then, kinda not really, he did vaccinate his kids, but he didn't like that he was forced too for school. Some real "don't tell me what to do, because i was gonna do it anyway" energy. To me antivaxxers were just the butt of online jokes.

Post pandemic, i could name so many antivaxxers, it's insane. And they all have the dumbest takes imaginable. And they always try to convince you, but i never thought for a second that this person might be onto something. The last guy who talked to me about it was a friend of my dad. I know him for a ling time, but not well at all. He said that the pandemic was all planned, but not enough people died, so they have another one coming, and that's why he's not getting vaccinated. Wait, the government tries to kill people, it didn't work as well as they thought, but they also try to vaccinate people so they don't die? Why do they try to kill people? And his aswer was basically: "many people believe that." Motherfucker, i know you, you hang out with 5 people who are 60 to 70 years old and they are all reclusive alcoholics. It doesn't really matter what they believe.

[–] Soapbox@lemmy.zip 2 points 2 days ago

Most of the people I know who went antivax during covid are very specifically antivax about the covid vax only. They are afraid of the mRNA tech, they think it's going to modify their genes or some BS. It really is political BS though. During the pandemic, the right wing decided to make this an issue, and they stick with it.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 9 points 2 days ago

and then started following RFK JR, J ROGAN, J PETERSON and lastly trump. i knew a family member that sort of did this. he was literally scoffing at the vaccine a few months ago.

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 15 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Antivax but do random shrooms/lsd/blow from strangers and buy their weed illegally

[–] Prior_Industry@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

ITS ALL NATURAL!!

[–] dil@lemmy.zip 6 points 2 days ago

but we dont know whats in those vaccines lol

[–] Aeri@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is a hamburger a recreational substance

[–] Noodle07@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago

Yes it is and I hate it

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 49 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

My favorite hypocrite is Jenny McCarthy who obviously has never met a cosmetic injectable she doesn't like but was one of the foremost anti-vax idiots out there.

Botulism toxin injected directly into my face - 🌞🎶😁👄👅

A vaccine preventing measles mumps and rubella - 😵‍💫☠️💀❤️‍🩹👎

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Botox is actually super helpful for a number of legitimate medical reasons, which a lot of people don't know. Migraines, limb contractures, anal fissures as a few examples.m

I hope Jenny McCarthy stubs her toe.

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[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 10 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, but botulism is all natural.

[–] aesthelete@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Only all natural 100% organic toxins injected into my face! 😤

JK, I'll also take any variety of filler you got to keep my face from caving in on itself.

[–] Bytemeister@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Through an improbable and insane series of events, the only facial filler I have right now is 250CCs of weasel cum. I can discount the service or reschedule you when another filler is available.

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[–] M137@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yeah, the only two antivaxxers I know (more did know) have fried their brains to mush with drugs so them believing that shit isn't surprising. I did lots of drugs in my 20s and knew a lot of people who did even more than me, and the two people who were always the "worst" with their use are the only ones I am aware of who are antivaxxers (In Sweden, it's not common here at all). They'd lick a literally turd if they saw someone sprinkle some unknown powder on it just for the chance of it making them high in any way, but they would fight to their death if anyone tried to vaccinate them specifically only with a covid vaccine.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

brain damage from drugs, strokes and other injuries or disease is known to turn people into a looney right winger or a conspiracy nut. fetterman, sorbo, jim cavaziel is a good example of stroke to alt-right, they were shitty people before, but stroke just disinhibit thier "closetness"

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[–] dethedrus@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's my granddaughter.

Fully vaxxed EXCEPT for covid. Calls the first (of many) times she caught as 'when I almost died'. She's currently injecting one of the fun crop of weight loss drugs without a second thought because there aren't any TikTok influencers who are telling her it's dangerous.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Ozempic hospitalized my ex for 12 days and he's now in a class action lawsuit against the makers because it's a known side effect that wasn't warned against. It's not something to play with at all.

[–] TheBloodFarts@lemmy.ca 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

What's the side effect if you don't mind sharing?

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Not at all. He's diabetic; Ozempic basically caused his gastric muscles to stop working, which is called gastroparesis. He began vomiting and having diarrhea over a period of days, and became unable to take his diabetic meds because he couldn't keep anything down. I came home and found him basically comatose, and he was in a state called euglycemic diabetic ketoacidosis, which is a new thing with all the Ozempic type drugs, where your sugars aren't all that high but the severity of your condition is masked by the Ozempic, and you end up overproducing ketones in your blood because your sugar is out of control. The ketosis part reversed quickly with IV insulin, but the gastroparesis and associated esophagitis from all the vomiting meant he had to stay in hospital for quite some time. He has permanent damage to his gastric system. The makers of the drug didn't disclose this and it's turned up in several others; my GP friend had two patients with the same situation. So they're all in a lawsuit, and I'm super leery of these drugs.

https://www.med.ubc.ca/news/weight-loss-drugs-linked-to-stomach-paralysis-other-serious-gastrointestinal-conditions/

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago

Much obliged. Thank you.

[–] LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

Fat phobia has killed so many and messed up so much research imo. We need fats and fat soluble vitamins, but in the right proportions to each other. I understand Ozempic is ostensibly for diabetes (and obv idk anything about your husband or his weight or why he took it, not assuming he has fat phobia himself), but rapid weight loss like that means people are likely going without adequate vitamins for quite some time, causing the body to eat its own tissues like bones, bone marrow, muscle, liver, and so on, to carry on the most important tasks for life.

Gastroparesis is often associated with vitamin d, b12, iron, and magnesium deficiencies. Fat soluble vitamins have a ton of downstream effects on other vitamins and each other, and many actually help with diabetes.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7469006/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34440929/

https://nutritionj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12937-023-00840-1

https://diabetes.org/food-nutrition/diabetes-vitamins-supplements/low-vitamin-d-insulin-resistance

They are not putting the Ozempic patients on vitamin therapy or even monitoring fat soluble vitamins afaik. BTW, the pancreas helps with processing fat soluble vitamins by making lipase, not just glucose/insulin. So anything that affects the pancreas, which Ozempic does, has the potential to affect fat soluble vitamins as well which have a LOT of downstream effects that have been catalogued for decades but doctors just kinda ignore??? Due to fat phobia.

I don't blame you for suing, they are selling you malnutrition in a pill because they hate fat cells

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

His GP was honestly just trying to get his diabetes under control, and had no reason to think this would happen. He's not obese in the slightest and has never been more than 5 pounds overweight, he just has bad genetics for it. I just think that it's been marketed so heavily it seems to be a go to and we're just starting to really see what it does.

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[–] Hikermick@lemmy.world 11 points 2 days ago

I ask antivaxers I know if they ever turned down a medicine prescribed by their doctor other than the one the media told them to fear?

[–] Samskara@sh.itjust.works 21 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Few people are consistent in their worldview and actions.

Had a crunchy hippie lecture me about the danger of the covid vaccine, because you don't know what's in it. This was at a house party during covid, where she smoked cigarettes, snorted ketamine, MDMA, and mephedrone.

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 7 points 3 days ago

And like, the ingredients of the COVID vaccine are like, totally top secret.

[–] frenchfryenjoyer@lemmings.world 56 points 3 days ago (2 children)

They're terrified of a (usually) dead virus/other bug in a tiny vial but will do ozempic, massive doses of ivermectin and god knows what else lol

[–] WanderingThoughts@europe.pub 49 points 3 days ago (3 children)

When scientists warned that milk could be contaminated with bird flu and pasteurized milk was safe, they started drinking raw milk en masse. There is no logic for them.

[–] WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca 30 points 3 days ago (5 children)

Oppositional defiant disorder. Very well understood, researched heavily especially in young children.

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[–] Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 3 points 2 days ago

And then, a few of the less dense ones realized that raw milk was dangerous and they could reduce the risk by... boiling it.

But they won't drink pastuerized milk.

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[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 27 points 3 days ago (1 children)

mRNA vaccines carry a code for your cells to produce the viral protein shells, so not only is not a living virus, it's never been the virus and could not be more harmless.

It's also impossible for it to alter your DNA.

What it could do is be weaponized to produce prions or whatever but the dummies never cry about that (because you can disprove it easily)

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[–] WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

¿Por qué no los dos?

I'll take every vaccine I can get. Hell, I would sign up for the smallpox vaccine if I could get it, even though that disease hasn't existed in the wild in decades. I want every covid booster. I want it all! Jab me up, give me that sweet MRNA!

And I'll take the other stuff too. I love me a good edible. I'm on tirzepatide myself, even though insurance doesn't cover it. How do I afford it? Simple! I pirate the hell out of it!

[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 9 points 3 days ago (14 children)

I just got prescriptions from my GP for the pneumococcal and RSV vaccines because it turns out that I qualify. Anything I can get vaccinated for I do, because fuck antivaxxers.

I know someone who is a 60 year old smoker who went and lied to public health that she was a sex worker to get the MPOX vaccine, which makes me laugh, but i wouldn't mind it myself because you can get it touching surfaces.

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[–] But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world 19 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Anyone around here have actual experience with ozempic? My dr has actuality suggested it for a potential heart issue, to help clear up the system i guess. But everyone online talks about it like it’s heroine

[–] meme_historian@lemmy.dbzer0.com 23 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's more along the lines of: Could you benefit from it because of some legit medical issues. Then go ahead.

Do you want to take it recreationally to fit in your new dress for the wedding 3 weeks from now without any lifestyle changes? Don't take it.

Ozempic is not some fun new "weight loss shot", it's a fucking necessity for people with diabetes. That includes Type I diabetes, which is due to genetics and not lifestyle choices.

Recreational users have made ozempic scarce, raising the price to unsustainable levels for folx that rely on it to stay alive

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[–] BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 16 points 3 days ago

My ex was on it for diabetes, and it caused gastroparesis in him and he ended up hospitalized for 12 days. His digestion has never been the same, and he's in a class action lawsuit against the makers of Ozempic because it's a side effect that they didn't disclose.

[–] Treczoks@lemmy.world 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Before going on Ozempic, read up on current medical research (not Facebook or such shit). They discovered some not-so-good long term effects recently.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 12 points 3 days ago (43 children)

Like many medications, you are balancing the risks of continuing with an unmedicated health problem or any negative side effects of the medication.

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[–] garbagebagel@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I'll bite. I'm on it for what some people here would consider "recreational" purposes (weight loss). However, I have polycystic ovaries and have had extreme difficulty losing weight in other ways. Essentially the only way I can lose weight is doing a pretty severe calorie deficit, which is really hard to do and essentially means I am starving all the time. Ozempic has helped me curb that perpetual feeling of hunger, and besides diarrhea (which I already had often anyway), it hasn't caused me that many side effects.

Essentially PCOS causes a craving for carbs and sugar. It's hard to fill that hole, but there are other ways to supplement the things that my body is not creating which make me crave those things. While I'm on ozempic (I don't plan on using it long-term) I'm also working to make changes to my diet to make sure I'm getting those things I was missing (B12, chromium picolante, some other stuff with scientific names).

And I know people think it's just "lazy", which it is for some people, but I struggle to lose weight even with exercise and calorie deficits. Ozempic has helped me lose some, but not as drastic as other people.

I have friends who are on waygovy (the same drug as ozempic but specifically targeted at weight loss) and they've had more side effects than me, but they are significantly bigger, have less healthy lifestyles and are I believe on a much higher dose than me. They've lost a ton of weight though.

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[–] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Whatever they can hork down by the Big Gulpful, but penetration by a stranger? Oh, no. That's for their leaders, in secret.

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[–] buttnugget@lemmy.world 5 points 2 days ago

Just goes to show you how it’s not a rational decision driven by evidence and consideration like they reflexively say, it’s just reactionary nonsense spread by traitors. I will never forgive traitors for what they have done to dismantle society in the modern age.

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 7 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"You know what kind of shit they put in those things?" They said while hitting their meth pipe.

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