!movies@piefed.social is stable
A few people still post on !movies@lemmy.world, but I guess that's the usual
this post was submitted on 14 Jul 2025
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!simpleliving@slrpnk.net is getting some activity.
Good to see!
I've been feeling a bit negatively lately. I know I've stated a lot of times over the last year that I feel I'm getting less traffic, but it usually stabilized after a week or so. But now I feel the weekends into Monday are super dead for me, and I'm having trouble getting posts to the like-count that I used to, and most importantly, I feel there are less people talking and asking questions in comments.
There are some great users who have been here forever now, and I'm extremely grateful for what they do add to the comments, but I don't think I'm getting as many questions asked, and I've been trying to share more varied content, but it doesn't move the needle all that much.
I've started reducing the amounts of things I share from 5 a day to 3-4 now. The lower interest has me spending time I'd be making posts on other things instead, so I haven't been preparing as much work or doing any deep dives into things like I was.
I'm still here all the time reading things and responding to the comments I do get, but like the comments on this thread from Captain Patrick, this place hasn't quite been what it was 2 years ago. So much angry and violent talk. Many obvious cases of people responding from emotion from headlines and not actually reading articles. More infighting in comments. Less debate and dialog, just arguing. There's still a ton of great content, but it's being eclipsed by so much negativity.
I still think I am doing something significant here, but I can't make people happy or to participate. If I look at my upvotes, I still see other old regulars here and upvoting content, but with them being quiet I either feel their interest is waning, or that they aren't in a good enough mood to just say some little comment on things now and then. I get incentivized by seeing you all have a good time, but if it's just me and 3 people talking every day, that only takes me so far.
Just the fact that this beautifully written contribution got zero engagement for three whole hours is enough to bother me!
Many obvious cases of people responding from emotion from headlines and not actually reading articles. More infighting in comments. Less debate and dialog, just arguing.
So well put. People responding to headlines alone really is the bane of social media. Personally, I've begun to systematically add a quote from the source article, even when it doesn't add much to my comment. As a way of subtly showing others that I actually read the article and that perhaps they should too.
I appreciate the nice words.
I like to do the same thing, grabbing snippets of q that article, not whatever broad frustrations we have on the topic while ignoring the new info we're being given. That makes all the posts feel the same and full of mostly generalities or just straight complaining.
There are some prior sharing really interesting and important things, and I don't get the appeal of using social media to wallow in misery when it can be used to educate and congregate. Things like 50501is using it to try to build political momentum. I want to get people interested in less familiar animals and hopefully encourage them to volunteer, donate, or at least see them as more than memes or NPCs and rather unique individuals that have important roles in our world and have full lives and semblances of individual personalities.
It just feels we're squandering an opportunity if we just let this place turn into just another social media site.
I second your manifesto. It's always been a mystery to me that so many people seem to enjoy wallowing in misery and anger and negativity and helplessness. It really seems to be the essence of much of social media. I'm guessing it's something to do with catharsis, and release of frustration. But there must also be a certain personality type that is attracted to social media - and apparently we're the odd ones out. Just downvoting is a mystery to me TBH (I see it as pure toxicity and obviously antithetical to civilized discussion) and I know from bitter experience that quite few people here agree with me on this. But there are a few who do and I take heart from that.
It just feels we’re squandering an opportunity if we just let this place turn into just another social media site
It can't ever be that bad as long as there is no advertising. That's my positive spin.
I get the need to vent. There is a lot to be bad about these days. But it just feels like it takes over everything.
I only downvote on stuff where people are outright mean or lying. If it's something where I think people should just ignore it, I move on, but if someone is hateful or talking stuff that is knowingly false or dangerous and I feel others should know to ignore whatever they're saying, that's worth downvoting.
It is nice having a place that isn't commercial in any way. That is one thing we still got.
There are still a lot of positives here, don't get me wrong, but the early adopter phase feels over and some of the shine has worn off.
the early adopter phase feels over and some of the shine has worn off.
Yeah, we are not in growth phase, but maintenance. Finding fulfillment from the actual relationships and engagement we have is important.
The dopamine hits of growth phase Lemmy are very much feast or famine, but can't be the only reason we are here.
Yeah, we are not in growth phase, but maintenance.
And I just feel like Lemmy is actually bleeding off users. People have become too extreme. It's keeping people from joining, and making others like AdmiralPatrick @ptz@dubvee.org leave.
I don't have any stats, but it def seems that way to me. Every real life friend I tried to turn on to Lemmy, tried it and very quickly nope-d right out. All of them think it's more toxic that Reddit. I agree with them too.
Yeah, that is why I stopped posting to every community - it mostly didn't start any conversations.
I'm just posting basically personal journals now that I can reference later to find something, or to send to friends on a subject i care about.
I do really highly value the good conversations and I have here, but they are fairly rare. Maybe 500 bad encounters for 1 great encounter.
Lemmy extremism (in any direction) is quite a challenge, the negativity users meet is a great way to drive people away. We need small niche safe spaces for common interest groups to grow and talk, mini-forums. The current everyone drives-by all and basically puts every post up to a popular referendum hasn't worked.
I said a unpopular thing on a YPTB post awhile back, but I'm sticking with it - People are communal, and they define their communities by a shared interest (belief, experience, geography, etc), but that is just a nice way of saying that communities need a way to EXCLUDE people without that shared interest (two sides of the same coin). Basically we need highly curated opinionated chambers to grow thriving communities where people like to come back as their home base.
Sorry to hear.
I feel a bit similar, but I am myself quite less active lately as I'm vacationing. I guess quite a few people in Europe are doing the same, or maybe just spending more time outside as it's summer.
Activity should probably raise again in September.
Good points. I'm but a summer person so I hide myself indoors, but lots of other people do enjoy it and everyone's kids are out of school and such as well. None of that applies to me so I tend to overlook it.
I don't think we have much traffic data available anywhere that one could see if it's ebb and flow or a steady change in activity, and I tend to assume the worst.
As usual, you've managed to put some more positivity into things, and I appreciate that.
Happy to help!
First lemm.ee goes down and I migrate to dubvee including exporting the post archive
Now dubvee.org is going down and I have to repeat the process.
Gotta say, it really zaps my enthusiasm for Lemmy with these frequent instance closures.
Maybe the instance model isn't the right one for long term federated communities.
Maybe the instance model isn't the right one for long term federated communities.
The primary problem here is community mobility. If any community could be, with a few key presses, decoupled from an instance and essentially plopped onto another maintaining all of the posts, comments and subscribers - it wouldn't matter as much at all. Piefed has community migration, and I assume that is ultimately the end-goal. It just needs all the major instances to read and recognise such moves.
For all the whining Element gets when it comes to being buggy, etc. The matrix protocol has solved the room moving part very well. Any alias of the room has the same validity to be the main room because the content is being stored on all the servers where people joined the room and the room name is just that an alias and you can have many of them pointing to the same room.
I understand it's more difficult to do with the ActivityPub protocol, but something like that would solve this problem once and for all.
piefeed migration doesn't save the old non-federated content, and doesn't take over the old community name. It's more like a community clone tool. But yeah, its a good start.
Yeah, it's not where it should be. But I'm quite confident that such is the end-goal.
Instances will always come and go in many cases.
Sorry to hear about dubvee.org shutting down.
Another harsh reminder that admin burnout is real, and that unfortunately choosing an instance with a team of multiple admins willing to keep going is probably very important as community builders.
Yeah, well, maybe if I felt like I wasn't the only one around here taking a stand against extremism, violent rhetoric, and toxic behavior, things could have played out differently and I could have pushed on. You can't place the blame on just having a single admin - that may be one factor, but becoming completely demoralized from the lack of support from most other admins/instances was the real cause. This is a wide-ranging problem, and a single small instance (let alone a single admin) cannot solve it alone.
Sorry not sorry - For the next 2 weeks I'm in "captain going down with his ship" mode and I'm not holding back on what I think about this place, what it's become, and where it's heading. Two years ago, we had the tools, motive, and opportunity to make something truly better here, and we failed.
You're not going to find a sympathetic ear from the mods of this community (believe me I've tried, oh have I tried) but I understand where you're coming from and agree. The Lemmy network in general is comprised of a lot of people who are here (I'm sorry to say) because they are too poorly socialized even for reddit, and there are too few mods/admins in the overall network are who know what it means to be the adult in the room. The result is that most places with authentic activity are too toxic for "normies" and the places willing to enforce something as simple as good manners are quieter.
I still believe a critical mass of more ah, well-adjusted people can improve the culture, but that day gets further and further away as long as the existing culture remains in the state it is in.
Yep, yep, and yep to all of that, and some of it I've said for over a year and was dismissed with "just give it time".
The Lemmy network in general is comprised of a lot of people who are here (I'm sorry to say) because they are too poorly socialized even for reddit,
I've always referred to that as the "elephant in the ~~room~~ fediverse". But yeah, I fully agree that's definitely a major contributing factor to the current environment. I even made a joke post about it the other day: https://dubvee.org/post/3789665
Here's the gist of the post to save you a click
Title: "We are not the same"
The first 6-12 months here (during/right after the Reddit API drama) were great. After that....not so much.
I still believe a critical mass of more ah, well-adjusted people can improve the culture, but that day gets further and further away as long as the existing culture remains in the state it is in.
Like I said in my shutdown/meta post, I want the concept of the fediverse to succeed. I really do. But exactly as you just said (and others have said and I have said), the more well-adjusted people need to arrive in a critical mass, and I don't feel there's an environment here to welcome them let alone attract them or entice them to stick around. Maybe that will change. I hope it does, but I'm not optimistic enough to stick around and find out.
I do feel we started out on the right foot back in mid 2023, but as we've grown, we've just turned into a refuge for people who have proven too toxic to remain anywhere else.
At the end of the day, aside from the people like you, ValueSubtracted, and other friendly ~~faces~~ names I've come to enjoy seeing around these last couple years, I'm going to miss the idea of this place far more than the place itself.
At the end of the day, aside from the people like you, ValueSubtracted, and other friendly faces names I’ve come to enjoy seeing around these last couple years
I mean Corgana and ValueSubtracted went on a campaign behind the scenes, harassing admins of various instances, trying to get me permanently banned because I left startrek.website and set up /c/TenForward. I'm going to be real? They're exactly the problem that you're talking about. They're the toxic Rick and Morty from that meme.... They got ran off of reddit by the users. They ran /r/StarTrek and were the reason why so many other subreddits had to be formed. To escape their abject tyranny. They then doubled down even harder and have gone completely insane on their own modlog.
You’re not going to find a sympathetic ear from the mods of this community (believe me I’ve tried, oh have I tried)
You reported a post I made about creating !ask@piefed.social as "steering drama". And I will not even link the !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com post about your instance, people who are interested should be able to find it quickly.
And if they can't find the YPTB post, just ask me. I would be more than happy to go over the literally criminal level harassment that the admins of Startrek.website subjected me to.
have you filed a police report?
I'm pretty sure you've seen that post.
I saw the post, i did not see the "literally criminal harassment" part, and if that's true they should pursue the criminal aspect
I think your grievance is beyond Lemmy and more just a grievance with people in our current culture currently, at at the minimum those inclined towards social media sites. Lemmy isn't magic software that makes people behave in a particular way.
You're not wrong (though I got rid of other social media and thus have little to compare against).
But regardless of what's happening on other platforms, we do not have to allow or platform that here. We can be better We should want to be better.
We can show people the door who are taking things too far, making death threats, promoting violence, and/or otherwise stirring the pot - force them back to the fringe instances and away from polite/civilized society.
Please do share.
I am not attached to Lemmy, I joined because from my perspective commercial American social media is not viable for me, it's equivalent to supporting/enabling those who wish you harm.
I've outlined it in other threads, so I'll just link to a few of them instead of repeating myself.
- https://dubvee.org/comment/4486545 (Mostly the 3rd section in that comment)
- https://lemmy.world/comment/18189873 (ThePicardManeuver's comment and replies)
- https://dubvee.org/comment/4492868
- https://dubvee.org/post/3788765 (Really, the whole post covers things, and most of the comments are insightful).
- https://dubvee.org/post/1516426 (A post I made almost a year ago to the day when I first noticed extremism becoming prevalent here).
Some very perceptive observations in those comments. To others - click thru and have a read! This is clearly a mod of unusually high quality, if they're really bowing out then we really owe it to them (and ourselves) to understand why.
Heh, thanks. It's proven difficult to condense a little over two years worth of behavioral observation into succinct comments, so I've tried to just build on what others have pointed out with my own experience.
I really empathize with your take BTW. Over the last year I have been unsubscribing from mainstream communities one by one for pretty much the exact reasons you cite: acute groupthink, dogpiling, purity testing, incitement, celebration of violence (the Luigi Mangioni cult was why I unsubscribed from "Uplifting News", for example), vulgarity, basically all the things you find in a school playground.
So I get you totally. And yet the "ban 'em high" zero-tolerance strategy only goes so far. I was myself banned for the cardinal sin of racism after making a subtle (but entirely innocuous) point which happened to challenge the prevailing groupthink in an otherwise pretty decent community. That community now has one less moderate centrist.
The best possible solution is surely hands-on moderation in line with what happens at Hacker News (where the quality of discourse is incredibly high despite, as I understand it, very infrequent recourse to bans). But that community is full of literal-minded geeks and has a full-time paid moderator, yes.
That community now has one less moderate centrist.
I know where you're coming from, but I cringe when I hear that term because of the straw man arguments that get thrown around here.
Like, if I were to post a spreadsheet here with all of my views laid out in detail, 99.9% of people, regardless of their local Overton window, would be like "Yep, he's a lefty."
But because of the purity testing / extreme positions around here that I do not agree with (mostly related to violence, revolution, and "burn it all down at all costs"), I've been called a Nazi, a sympathizer, a fascist, a bootlicker, an "enlightened centrist who only wants to do a little genocide", and worse.
Nuance here is dead. Godwin's law is dead. Most of the top-level comments for posts related to current events go straight to some Nazi reference, and where do you even go from there if you want to have any kind of discussion? Conversations are derailed before they even have a chance to get started.
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Yeah, well, maybe if I felt like I wasn’t the only one around here taking a stand against extremism, violent rhetoric, and toxic behavior, things could have played out differently and I could have pushed on.
You probably felt that way, but people working on Piefed are also trying to create ways to mitigate those behaviors.
You can’t place the blame on just having a single admin - that may be one factor, but becoming completely demoralized from the lack of support from most other admins/instances was the real cause.
I get the burnout and burden, but I also understand where @jet@hackertalks.com comes from. It's unfortunate to have to move communities twice in one month.
maybe if I felt like I wasn't the only one around here taking a stand against extremism, violent rhetoric, and toxic behavior, things could have played out differently
Since you're in a sharing mood, what made you feel that way?
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My community is very niche and probably won't grow till Lemmy/PieFed booms.
But I'm making a home for people to come to when it does happen one day.
It's a marathon not a sprint
!television@piefed.social should make it to 1000 subscribers by tuesday, or wednesday. Also, it's now the most active piefed community and brushing up on the frontpage of active communities per day/week as seen on lemmy.world.
Well done!
Moved a community over from lemm.ee to Piefed (!monitors@piefed.social). It's going well enough. The community never had all that much engagement, but the content is complementary to the !hardware@lemmy.world community that I mod/curate, so it doesn't require additional time/effort.
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