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Which country gets the most paid time off? (jlai.lu)
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Source: https://www.moorepay.co.uk/the-ultimate-guide-to-countries-with-the-most-paid-time-off/

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Cannot understand American employer's reluctance to give out PTO. Someone check my logic?

Regardless of PTO granted, the employer is going to be paying $X for 40-hours a week, 52 weeks a year. They're out nothing!

The obvious counter is that they're out that employees productivity. Now think about the places you've worked. Unless it's a fairly high-end, specialized job, the work is getting done regardless. When someone on your team takes PTO, everyone else picks up the slack.

For a large company there is an argument to be made that they have to hire more people to fill in the rotating PTO gaps through the year. A new employee is a significant cost. Recruiting, advertising, HR and IT onboarding, training, and one no one thinks or knows about, the upfront costs of unemployment insurance.

[–] ILoveUnions@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As much As I agree that pto needs to be required, it's simply pure white collar thinking to think that more people don't need to be hired to cover for vacations. In blue collar, labor jobs, the employer needs to hire temp workers (as my area does) or give other employees considerably more hours(some locals have flex employees that do pt most of the year and ft during vacation periods). The employer is out the wages it costs to pay the cover, it is not free. And the employer should be paying that.

[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago (1 children)

New employees cost real money. Posted this yesterday:

Advertising, interviewing, HR and IT onboarding, extra unemployment taxes on the initial income, training, all that stacks. Also, consider how useless a new employee is vs. one that's been on task for some time. And that employee is taking valuable time from an experienced worker!

People are a pain in the ass, I'm sure we'll agree. :) More people, more pain in the ass. The woman who handled scheduling at Lowe's caught grief every day. Well fuck me, she's not trained in HR and has to deal with 200 people's wants and needs. I felt sorry for her.

But back on topic,

The employer is out the wages it costs to pay the cover

That's the point I can't get my head around. The employer is already paying X people for Y job. Someone getting PTO costs them nothing as the remaining people work harder to cover. Does that make sense? I feel my argument is lacking common sense I'm not seeing.

[–] ILoveUnions@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Does that make sense? I feel my argument is lacking common sense I'm not seeing.

There's a couple issues with it. For specialized trainings, you'll only have a few people with them, and with vacations you'll need more. Training costs money.

People will not work harder to cover. Longer, sometimes. Harder, rarely. The company still needs to make certain timelines. There's an extent to witch employees can work "harder". The more people off, the less you can just cover it with working harder.

If you're not going to hire people, the longer hours the employees work to do the work will be paid at over time rates. Those are not cheap

[–] FBJimmy@lemmus.org 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Second paragraph is wrong - UK law mandates 20 paid days off, plus there are 8 paid public holiday days

[–] smeg@feddit.uk 2 points 1 month ago

Technically not true, companies don't have to give you bank holidays off as long as you get the right number of days in total (e.g. shops that are open on bank holidays), it's just that most places just give you the bank holidays (so the image is technically correct but a bit misleading)

[–] FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

The Netherlands is not the worst to live, but I for one could use a few days extra off for sure…

[–] Shaper@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

The relative size of continents in this image can get hilarious at times. The west is truly brainrot.

[–] whoisearth@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago

Part of me doesn't believe this because based on my experience with our Mumbai office those fuckers are constantly off.

[–] PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 1 points 1 month ago

According to my swiss friend they actually have 4 weeks of paid time off, so I'm confused.

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Japan has 16 public holidays, at least according to this: https://publicholidays.jp/2025-dates/

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

What about paid public holidays?

[–] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

0 of them are specifically codified in employment law as paid time off or a day to be taken off, however are considered by default as non-work days in law so working that day would, in most cases be entitled to overtime pay increase or alternatively a replacement day off. They are also culturally accepted as days off, and there are other holidays like Obon festival next week where taking time off is very common.

Technically speaking the minimum is zero paid leave for new employees, but after a continuous 6 months of 5 days or 30h/week work or more with good attendance, an employee is entitled by law to 10 days of paid leave (likely the figure cited) which scales gradually each year to 20 at 6.5 years tenure. Part time employees receive a partial entitlement which is as little as 1 day off if 48-72 days is worked in a year (1 day/week).

So it's complicated, unless the source for the map used a standard method for all countries to compare equally (e.g. a full time employee's minimum legal entitlement after 12 months at a company).

[–] JeSuisUnHombre@lemmy.zip 2 points 1 month ago

Some kind of a standard method. Similarly in the states, there is 0 PTO required by law, though it's common for places to offer some amount and include federal holidays.

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 1 month ago (5 children)

when Yemen is the top of the pack, one starts to wonder... maybe what we're presenting isn't a great measurement of human happiness?

[–] SpookyLights@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

But also the US with zero paid days is like literally imploding. So maybe it has a little to do with happiness

[–] TimewornTraveler@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago

it certainly helps! I love all the holidays in korea. never realized they were mandatory

"it's a fishing license... and it's mandatory!"

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[–] Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world -3 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Lol, all of the Mexican countries wreck the US in paid time off

[–] StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

"Mexican countries". That's where they speak Mexican, right? Peak US geography right here.

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