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No not tired of Trump or Biden but the whole government. The incompetence overall. Please don't harp on one of the presidents all day. BOTH SUCK. In fact if you look real hard you'll realize all of them sucked

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[–] notsosure@sh.itjust.works 18 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Here in Germany, a minority is, but most people I interact with are quite happy and trust the government. They do fear the right wing though.

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[–] furrowsofar@beehaw.org 13 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

It is not the government that is incompetent, that is an idea promoted by the right and the billionaires that fund both parties.

Why do so many Americans think the US has a huge crime problem? It is promoted by the same people. Statistics do not support it.

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[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)

If you replace the government with nothing, you get nothing. If you replace the government with private sector, you get shit quality and less service at a higher cost.

So, take your pick.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago

That's why you replace it with a worker-run government with state-owned industry.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 week ago

Yes and no. Currently, a large portion of the small business owners are firmly pro-Trump, and a lot of wealthier dems are still hardline liberal democrats, but the working class does seem to be more engaged politically and rejecting the parties. It remains to be seen if they get suckered into electoralism again, or if we finally get organized as a class.

[–] Bullerfar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 week ago

I'm pretty tired of the way EU works today, and needs a reformation to be taken seriously. The voting process of a union is just killing it, and there is no progress, when 1 or 2 nations can just veto against, and then nothing happens. This is apparently an "unforseen" - bug in the system. Which automatically should lead us towards federalising, and Saying: "Everyone who wants EU can join, everyone who doesn't, we'll still be friends and making trade deals, but you are no longer getting any of the sweet benefits from EU."

[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

We got rid of PP (right wing) because corruption and now there's a ton of corruption cases from PSOE (left wing).

People is tired. Most street level conversations about politics lean towards a completely lack of faith in the current system overall.

Basically the only ones hyped up about their political option are the alt-right (because you know, nazis don't care). The rest of the spectrum just criticize other options but they don't really defend their own option as they know there's nothing to defend.

[–] lunatique@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

Precisely, both sides are always found to be correct and egregious because both of them practice and participate in the same system of methodology. Most of the times they're just working together. To keep an ideology of division amongst the population, the laymen never becomes expert in politics to understand the situation that they find themselves in. You're one step ahead of the curve. Do not fall in with the herd of sheep. When the resistance comes, you will be at an advantage.

[–] kablez@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Australian here. It's hard to say how anyone feels because the media and major social media have been astro turfed so hard. But it's plain to see to everyone that neither side of politics down under is interested in changing the status quo.

I get the sense people are disillusioned and seeing through all the smoke and mirrors from all sides of politics, but it's just leading to cynicism and disengagement rather than alternative options.

I have been wondering if maybe the path to a Star Trek future lies in peacefully tolerating and co-operating with these "authorities" as they fade into irrelevance. We can build new systems of governance peacefully, slowly and meaningfully.

[–] lunatique@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Unfortunately they won't grow into irrelevance unless the population (greater than 50%) is self sufficient. If you want me to go into further detail let me know

[–] kablez@lemmy.ml 2 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Government might have a stranglehold on physical infrastructure and gate keep our human needs like food and shelter, but in their hubris and obsession with wealth extraction they forgot that all of us have knowledge, skills and capacity that they do not. This is the spirit that worker and union movements were based on in the late 20th century and I believe we are headed for something similar in tech and perhaps other expertise led jobs like law, medicine and science.

Corporations are getting increasingly incompetent, it's easy to foresee down the line large corporations having to broker deals with the equivalent of guilds and to apply for licensing in order to use technology, i.e. if you are a sociopath you don't get to use social media automation technology. Kinda like the principle that people on drugs aren't allowed to operate heavy machinery. Perhaps the open source community will even ban large tech from using open source unless certain conditions are met, beyond just "don't slam our servers" but into making sure there's a match on values and legal compliances.

Happy to hear your thoughts on the matter. I've been mulling how to fight back for a while and this is what I've come up with. I highly doubt it will "get done" in my lifetime, but I also believe any real meaningful change does take an eternity and I'm happy to be one of the many metaphorical birds striking the diamond mountain of capitalism.

[–] lunatique@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I don't believe open source creators will stop big tech from using them because they are open source and it's antithetical to its creation.

I certainly don't expect them to ban sociopaths lol. They would have to know they are sociopaths and give them psychological evaluations. Which they don't do on even the general public.

My take is that instead of making rules for these evil corporations and nefarious governments. They must be purged of all evil and nefarious intention. People must stop worshiping the "Devil" and tolerating "Devil worshipers"

The religion doesn't matter per say, it's just the idea that corruption of human nature and abuse of power is malevolent

Use of knowledge and wisdom for assistance and improving society is benevolent.

[–] kablez@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

I don’t believe open source creators will stop big tech from using them because they are open source and it’s antithetical to its creation.

There is already a precedence for this - Russians have been blocked by the open source community from contributing to multiple projects including the Linux kernel, Github and numerous smaller projects that actively also campaign for Ukraine.

Open source isn't just about giving code away so everyone can use it no matter what, it's a set of values and principles. If open source is used for genocide, generating CSAM, surveillance tech, etc... Then limits need to be enforced by the creators.

They must be purged of all evil and nefarious intention.

How will you.. achieve this exactly? Surely the better path to the future is to achieve consensus through a mutually agreed set of rules. You can't change what people really are inside, and if you try to you're just gonna create bigger problems. My 2c.

[–] lunatique@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You're right can't change peoples minds. You can just raise them to be better minded people. I just don't see how blocking open source will fix anything. You could just pirate the software. Or even better they will need to create their own and they will become professional at it. Tons of these companies have to sanction Russia from pressure from the west thats the only reason they are doing it. They (businesses) are currently in mass trying to reenter the Russian market.

Ukraine kidnaps thousands of men to fight the war and video evidence is simple to find. They support nazis and are in some cases. They are terrorist they keep attempting to blow nuclear power plants. They are basically evil. I'm not going to give you a whole history lesson you can research. But just understand when Hitler was in power he was popular. After the war its understood that he was evil

[–] kablez@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 days ago

Let's just leave it here. I don't think we're going to find common ground.

[–] GooseGang@beehaw.org 3 points 1 week ago (1 children)

In theory the youth are, but in practice organizing seems to be more difficult and there is a lack of clear direction on how to improve things (ie: if everything is bad)

[–] Fyrnyx@kbin.melroy.org 2 points 1 week ago (2 children)

And that is why their dreamy revolutions and shit won't work. This stuff requires planning, but there isn't enough intelligence around to do that.

[–] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

To succeed in revolution, you need a mass worker party supported by the working class. Right now revolutionary prep is focused on raising political education among the people and party building, not active terrorism.

[–] GooseGang@beehaw.org 1 points 1 week ago

Is it intelligence or couch potato activism? There were TikTok dances to protest the tariffs!!

[–] Tenderizer78@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 week ago

My government is good. Really good actually. But they're hamstrung by the voters being god-awful.

The media can't shut up about the corruption cases of PP (Montoro, recently) and PSOE (Ábalos and CerdÑn until recently), which is inadvertedly pushing people to VOX (far-right).

[–] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 3 points 1 week ago

I've got a job that interfaces with government employees, so I see a lot of incompetence.

I've also seen how actions have been made to improve over time and that a lot of the problems with some government agencies is just a staffing issue where they can't attract qualified people because the pay sucks.

[–] truite@jlai.lu 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] truite@jlai.lu 1 points 6 days ago

2 days ago, I posted this. Since then, we have had a government for something like 10 hours then no more government.

[–] fodor@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 week ago

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Yeeeeeeeaaaaaaaahhhh!!! -The Who (1971)

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 1 week ago

Nope. Not in the way you lay out. There is suck and there is SSSSSSSSSSSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!!!!

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Nice attempt at both sidesing. I'm assuming you're mostly focused on the us, so there is one party in power in all three branches of government and the other party has close to no power (the current shutdown demonstrates how the democrats are damned if they do and damned if they don't).

In terms of citizens, a broad portion of the us population has spent the last 50+ years hating the government, but now that it's small enough to fit in pants they seem mostly content.

Another broad portion has historically viewed government as trash but the only way to get things done that benefit the population. Since the government is now heavily focused on doing whatever it can to hurt the population (whether you're a farmer, immigrant, elderly/sick, or whatever, this government is actively trying to hurt you), that portion is now unhappy but with no realistic approach to solving it.

My perception is that outside of 20-somethings, people are more or less in the same bucket they've always been in. Nothing going on here is remotely new. I don't see any real change in people wanting anything other than the status quo.

[–] lunatique@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

So Americans are use to being ruled over and having their roles as enslaved people furthered?

[–] balance8873@lemmy.myserv.one 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

In general, yes. I'm not super old but there's never been a time in my life when that hasn't been the case. Hard to think of a developed country where this is false.

I mean not as much as Russia or China, lol

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