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I am sure this article has been shared before, however I wanted to have a look at this topic.
The articles short summary is this:

All 25 car brands we researched earned our *Privacy Not Included warning label – making cars the worst category of products that we have ever reviewed

I am currently driving a 2014 Ford Fiesta which just has a radio with a CD player and Bluetooth. I do not need more than that in a car.

The reason I am looking at all is that that the Fiesta does not belong to me and the friend owning it will be moving out in a bit, so I kinda need another one.

There seems to be one brand that is not as bad as the other ones (but still bad): Renault; mozilla's review...
Maybe I will have a look at their cars.

What do you guys think? Stick to older used cars and not use an EV or look at which of the manufacturers have the least bad privacy policy?

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[–] Jhex@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

I was lucky enough to buy new in 2017, just before all the ridiculous privacy violations hit the fast lane

By the time this car is done for, I will have no option available that is not a privacy violation on wheels... jailbreaking/hacking will be my #1 purchase criteria of whatever my next car will be

[–] noxypaws@pawb.social 17 points 2 days ago (11 children)

None of this has anything to do with the car's powertrain. Regular internal combustion engine cars are just as bad as EVs in this regard.

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[–] 18107@aussie.zone 7 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I have an older Nissan Leaf in Australia. While I'm sure the car is trying to send telemetry, it only has a 3G modem, and the 3G network has been switched off for all of Australia.

If you have a newer car, it may be possible to remove the telematics fuse and ignore the related DTC.

[–] iloveDigit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I bet the authorities can still pick up the telemetry with satellites. Of course, they can also just see the car.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

The 3G transmitter is not able to send signals to satellites.

[–] iloveDigit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

It's definitely designed to be able to send signals to satellites, and there are satellites designed to pick up signals from devices that aren't designed to reach them.

But, they can also just see where your car is going visually, and get any audio/video from inside with your phone that connects directly to cell towers, so you might be right that no satellite is actually ever spying on your car's 3G modem.

[–] dev_null@lemmy.ml 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It's definitely designed to be able to send signals to satellites

Do you have any source for that? Not that I don't believe you but I can't find anything on this

[–] iloveDigit@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

The sources are just people who know saying it, like me. The designers wouldn't publicly admit it or anything.

Cell phone range is impacted by ground obstruction, the curvature of the earth itself getting in the way, atmospheric effects

The closest satellites are about 160km up, where a 3G transmitter can reach when it's looking straight up with no Earth and less air in the way

The companies that designed the 3G standard and manufactured some of the phones also do military contracts for stuff like the radios in spy satellites, they knew what they were doing

It also stands out as intentional because making the range go beyond the curvature of the earth is just crippling infrastructure, wasting battery and putting millions of people in danger (can't call 911 with a dead phone)

Lower-power devices with mesh networking would have made more sense with the powerful processors and high usage phones were getting by the middle of the 3G era, but the "cellular" design is much more convenient to monitor

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 24 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

Well that's it, I'm just going to drive my 23-year-old 350Z Roadster forever. As a 90s computer geek, I would have never imagined that future technology would turn me into a classic car guy, yet here we are.

I miss the days when spyware was treated like a virus; now it's the norm.

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[–] Hirom@beehaw.org 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (6 children)

This is a lose-lose-lose.

  • New cars don't respect people's privacy.
  • New cars cost more due to the extra camera/sensors/compute/connectivity necessary for tracking.
  • Less people buy new cars due to increased cost and tracking. Instead drive older, more polluting cars for longer.
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[–] redlemace@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago (11 children)

And all of a sudden data roaming costs isn't an issue anymore ;) Who pays the mobile subscription? Or do car manufacturers pay the telco's with a part of the data gathered ....

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