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Switching to linux has been the best decision i've made all year.
Just wish there was a good one-click-setup virtual display option for Sunshine that "just works." It's my white whale of features.
Year of Linux on the desktop. Why not say it? It's been true for decades now.
year of the
itβs been decades.
Should we tell them?
let him rest, he has lost his mind from all the compiling through the years
So I've mucked around with ubuntu... gonna switch over to linux. Ideally something more user friendly at first.
Can someone TLDR Zorin OS vs Mint?
For now I just want something I can swap out my main device until I have more time to finish learning ubuntu.
I would say try a few out, see which DEs (desktop environments, pretty much the part of the OS that you look at) you like. I recommend trying Fedora Workstation (which is GNOME, a purer form of it compared to Ubuntu's flavour, and is unrelated to gnomes of the fantasy world), a KDE Plasma distro (like Kubuntu or Fedora KDE), as well as Mint (which is Cinnamon) and ZorinOS (I think it uses a custom variant of GNOME, but I'm not sure).
You either love or hate GNOME, there's a lot of padding, and it's very "minimal" and "clean". Some people say the UI is similar to Mac in that it has a bar on the top and the "dock" (GNOME's version of the taskbar) looks very similar to Mac. It also has a bunch of touch gestures and such, so it would be good if you have a touchscreen laptop, for example. Make sure to look at GNOME extensions, which helps you customise GNOME to your liking (e.g. transparency, having the dock always be shown kind of like one Windows)
KDE Plasma, out of the box, looks similar to Windows. It, however, is the most customisable and you can change pretty much anything (position of the taskbar, text size of different parts of the UI, colours of all the buttons, etc.) and it's kind of overwhelming. I particularly like KRunner (which is kind of like Spotlight on Mac and lets you search apps, files, settings, etc. straight from the desktop). Currently I'm using KDE Plasma.
Cinnamon is Linux Mint's homegrown take on GNOME, which tries to mimic Windows 10 to ease the transition to Linux. Mint focuses on the usability of its GUI apps, so you won't have to touch the terminal as often (I do recommend you learn how to do simple things like apt to install apps, it's really useful!). If you don't like the excessive padding and touch-optimised design of GNOME or think KDE Plasma isn't for you, Cinnamon might be what you want.
There's also a bunch of other DEs like Xfce (which is lightweight and meant for lower end devices), MATE (which keeps the design of old GNOME, so it looks less "modern" than other DEs), and COSMIC (which is by System76, recently went from Alpha to Beta so it isn't perfectly stable yet, but it looks pretty cool with tiling and such).
Take your time to pick, you can always swap out your DE (that's one of the cool things with Linux, you can literally change the desktop of the entire OS if you want to! It's kind of insane if you think about it. Recently, I switched from GNOME to KDE Plasma with little issue on Fedora. So don't be afraid to pick the "wrong" desktop, you can always change it after the fact! You can even install multiple and choose which one to use when you log in, but that will mean having an excess of default apps, meaning multiple file managers, multiple calendar apps, etc.)
This isn't a TLDR, is it?
Zorin has a commercial license for additional GUI front ends, installation support, and a bunch of "professional" apps. It's not clear if they've done something to make adobe/Autodesk/pro audio stuff work on Linux, pre-bundled their FOSS alternatives, or have made software themselves.
Personally, if I was looking for something "professional", I'd go PopOS!. But if I were a small or mid-sized business I'd consider Zorin Pro if I could get license to include additional support outside the installer... Or just buy System76 computers with PopOS! pre-installed and support built-in to their sales pipeline already.
That said, Mint is also very Windows (classic)-like in their GUI experince (intentionally). It also has one of the largest Linux communities focusing on GUI usability.
Depends on your use case on which flavor you should go. But for $50, I'm curious what Zorin's software suite is and might dive in.
I'd advise using Mint in place of Ubuntu as your training wheels/potential daily driver, since Ubuntu's developers (Cannonical) have the habit of making features and restrictions absent in the rest of the ecosystem (Snap comes to mind).
Mint has a much larger and more dedicated userbase, so you probably will have an easier time finding answers to questions (Mint's forums are pretty good nowadays), and it's been an established "Windows jumping-off point" OS for quite a few years now. Zorin is the new kid on the block (while they existed in the past, their quality was nowhere near on par with Mint), so I'd wait and see before checking them out.
I'll never understand how people recommend Zorin or Mint instead of the, much more Windows-like, and HUGELY supported Kubuntu or Fedora KDE.
KDE Plasma is the way to go.
Mint looks pretty Windows-like out of the box too. Both Cinnamon and KDE Plasma can be customised extensively too, which is nice. Mint is really good for beginners, very user-friendly and such. Fedora is plenty user-friendly too (and probably Kubuntu, but I haven't used that one yet), but Mint takes it a step further in my opinion. This is coming from a Fedora user. I do agree that Mint and Zorin shouldn't be the only options that beginners should consider. On the other hand, KDE Plasma shouldn't be the only option either. The best way to pick distros, in my opinion, is by creating a Ventoy drive with Mint (to try out Cinnamon), Fedora Workstation (to try out GNOME), and either Fedora KDE or Kubuntu (to try out KDE). Cinnamon, GNOME, and KDE Plasma are all great in their own ways.
Currently I am using KDE Plasma as I like the customisability, but I can see the appeal of GNOME if you want something that looks sleek and "minimal" (or if you really love padding), and Cinnamon is a bit more like Windows 10. They all have their own aesthetics (contrasty KDE vs maximally padded GNOME vs colourful Cinnamon)
Genuine question: Why not mint? Whats wrong with it and why is kubuntu much better?
I'm not saying that Mint is bad. But with Kubuntu or Fedora KDE you get more overall support, and KDE software is much more used, developed, tested and supported than Mint's self-mantained things.
There is a much higher chance of KDE thriving in the next 10 years than Mint.
This is my opinion, of course. And based mostly on my subjective observations.
Iβll never understand how people recommend Zorin or Mint instead of the, much more Windows-like, and HUGELY supported Kubuntu or Fedora KDE
I rebuilt an old Windows PC as a host for a Jellyfin server and used Mint because that's what the guide recommended.
Easy setup. Everything works great. So I told my friends about it. And, naturally, they went with Mint, too, because we all know that setup works.
That's it. That's the only real reason why. I have a simple need and Mint got the job done.
Windows 10 support ends. Open the floodgates. Let the windows refugees come !!
Been a Linux user at work for decades, windows at home for gaming. This week I am 100% a Linux user full-time.
This is just wonderful news.
I've never used Zorin. It doesn't seem to match my preferences and needs. Regardless, anyone switching from Windows [and Mac] to any Linux distro is fantastic for all of us, including remaining Windows users (probably not Mac users though).
Let's hope more keep switching, leading to a surge in Linux, and open source in general, funding. More people becoming interested in Linux development, potentially turning into more and more open source devs. I think we can be quite optimistic about this.
It feels pretty fucking ironic when my old macbook/laptop supports new OS versions for a decade, but my few years old high-end gaming PC? Outdated for Win11.
3 of my friends asked me to help them with linux installs this week XD
as someone that have been scrolling lemmy daily for 2 years, i am surprised i have never heard of this distro, i thought being a lemming made me a linux expert
It's basically a linux distro that's meant to appeal to Windows users who want to keep the Windows look and feel.
In other words, blasphemy in this church.
blasphemy in this church.
Indeed tis spoken oft as heresy in the Cathedral...
...But perhaps opinions are more diverse in the Bazarr?
I honestly dont know what would drive a Windows refugee to choose such a niche and likely unable to support them distro.
Did it three days ago. Took the windows partition out back and formatted it.
If you donβt mind me asking, why did you choose Zorin? How do you hear about Zorin?
Why zorin?
Zorin and Mint are frequently recommended foe Windows users. With Zorin having paid support for schools etcetera.
Zorin is a bit more commercial but it looks good and not much can go wrong.
Amazing. Makes me truly happy.
Anyone have strong opinions about Zorin?
Already downloading it out of curiosity. The app to connect with your phone over the local network looks cool.
Zorin has laudable aims but it's delivered in a flawed way. It's essentially Gnome with extensions to make it look and feel like other GUIs. Problem is, Gnome is not a good base for this type of approach - it is fundamentally not flexible and not designed for this. So Zorin is basically deliberating breaking Gnome to make it into something it's just not meant to be under the hood.
Zorin looks very nice graphically and seems good at at first but then niggles come along. Minor but constantly present.
I think it's probably OK for a Linux newbie but not ideal long term and doesn't have the user base to make it as easy to get support as Mint for example.
If you do want to mimick other GUIs then really don't start with Gnome. You can achieve much better results using KDE on any distro; KDE by design is flexible and it doesnt require breaking fundamental design decisions made for Gnome to mimick something else. Only downside to do-it-yourself with KDE is if you do want to perfectly mimick another GUI then it is a manual process of finding themes and skins that match the aesthetic you want.
That's becuase Linux is it's own thing and not focused on trying to mimick other DEs (even if some GUis have superifical similarities to Windows or MacOS).
I get what Zorin is trying to do, but I think using Gnome is a mistake but also for me the basic idea of "familiar to ease you in" doesn't really work. Better for people to learn how Linux is different - there is a choice in design philosophies but all of them are shaped around what Linux is and how it works rather than what Windows or MacOS are.
I actually just switched to Zorin as my daily driver this past summer. Good riddance Windows