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[–] blackkn1ght@lemmy.dbzer0.com 161 points 1 year ago (2 children)

So Alphabet:

  • is the developer the most used browser (chrome) and its open source skeleton (chromium) on which most of all of the other browsers are based on (edge, brave etc)

  • has the most used video platform online, with no close second (unless you count porn, but i'd still argue its not close)

  • has the biggest share of devices relying on its platform worldwide (android)

  • has the most used search engine worldwide.

Alphabet has to be split up. Alphabet alone is deciding what shape internet will take in the future.

[–] HollandJim@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

is the developer the most used browser (chrome) and its open source skeleton (chromium) on which most of all of the other browsers are based on (edge, brave etc)

Which was branched from Apple’s open Webkit base, but let’s all also forget about that.

They take the IP of others, spin it a bit and then block everyone. Burn them down.

[–] nixcamic@lemmy.world 49 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Acting like Apple didn't do the same thing with khtml to make WebKit.

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[–] DrQuint@lemm.ee 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

All of those are meaningless peanuts versus

  • Owns the biggest (borderline only) web ad service in the world
[–] spartanatreyu@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My long bet: The EU will force Google Search + Ads, to separate from Youtube within a decade.

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[–] casmael@lemm.ee 144 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It’s fucking incredible watching Google change from a fairly well-liked company into essentially fucking Comcast. Fucking incredible.

[–] ArtVandelay@lemmy.world 73 points 1 year ago

Unchecked capitalism is a real motherfucker ain't it?

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[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 96 points 1 year ago

Again? I remember they did this years ago when releasing Chrome.

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 72 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Incidentally, I dropped Youtube's web app like a rock when they started messing with adblockers and today they emailed me to say they're cutting down features in my account because "I don't have enough of a history".

I swear, these decaying tech firms just don't get the value of not appearing to be flailing in desperation.

[–] sadreality@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

hey're cutting down features in my account because "I don't have enough of a history".

any idea what this actually means?

What features are they cutting down?

Is this a free account?

[–] e-ratic@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago

I had the same email, it's creator-related features. So if you don't produce content it shouldn't affect anything

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I received the same notification on my artist account. I can't remember everything, but it was something like daily upload limits for videos and shorts and other creator related stuff. I don't think there's anything related to just basic usage features.

[–] MudMan@kbin.social 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They take away the ability to include links in video descriptions. That's still not related to watching videos, but it seems like a legit eff you to small content creators.

[–] scytale@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Oh yeah I forgot about that. That's definitely a big issue. I think you can't also pin comments.

[–] sour@kbin.social 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

they turn off video recommendations if your watch history isn’t on

[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago (3 children)

All I have left to say about Google and Youtube in particular is that Youtubes ads have become so problematic, both in amount and quality (like seriously, people get banned for using innocuous words in videos targeted at adult audiences, yet completely fucked up ads are squarely targeted at children) and at this point, it's time for YouTube to die.

A new platform needs to come along.

Which will be hard since Google has such a stranglehold on the datacenter and backbone level that they have an absolute advantage when it comes to bandwidth and storage costs. Which is the main cost for video platforms like YouTube.

[–] ElBarto@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 year ago

The only thing stopping a viable replacement for YouTube is the servers, google essentially has an infinite amount of server space, you would have to match them on that, decentralization would help bare the load, but there will become a time when even those servers will need to dramatically expand their server count.

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[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

It it legal? I remember when China's tech giants started infighting and the party ended up dividing them and phorbiding them to do so.

They where creating tech exclusive for their devices and internally block all other out.

I just figured if we aren't doing it here there should be a reason. (Apple appart)

Edit:guys what I'm saying matters the orthographic mistakes can be easily attribute to my lack of interest in writing the proper queen's English when any shit will do

[–] pensivepangolin@lemmy.world 33 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I’m sorry to be the spelling guy but it’s “forbid” not “phorbid”

[–] Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you have poor spelling fobia?

[–] fujiwood@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (6 children)

I’m sorry to be the spelling guy but it’s “phobia” not “fobia”

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[–] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Hahaha ce la vi

[–] floofloof@lemmy.ca 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

If it's happening it's not doing so for everyone. I use Firefox and I have never seen this delay.

[–] PM_Your_Nudes_Please@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I haven’t experienced it either, but Google also typically rolls out changes in waves. They rarely just push to prod and call it a day. They push changes in waves, so they can pull the update or make adjustments if the early waves have issues.

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[–] digdilem@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

Same.

The anti-adblock warnings only lasted a few days for me too, not seen them for a couple of weeks now.

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[–] Endorkend@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I suspect this is less of a slowdown and more of a "we're trying to detect adblockers and in Chrome we can do most of this check on the application level which is fast, while on Firefox we have to do it the extra slow way and we CBA to optimize any of it because the delay is to our advantage."

[–] scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope, in the article it shows a hard coded 5 second delay.

[–] Jako301@feddit.de 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

It's a standard timeout function without any context. Most likely thing is that it tries to load an ad and if that doesn't work in these 5 seconds, then the anti adblock popup is displayed. If you don't use an adblock, the site loads instantly cause the ad is detected. If you use ublock, you see neither the ad nor the popup, so everything that's left is a 5 seconds timeout.

While it definitely is shady coding, it's an anti adblock "feature" caused by incompetent design and not an anti Firefox thing.

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[–] j4k3@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Someone should investigate deeply. My combo of a whitelist firewall on an OpenWRT variant and Graphene often has a bandwidth issue that is clearly software related only after watching something from YT. I can stop the apps manually and close everything related to browsing and the connection issue still exists. I can disconnect the internet from my router and the problem still persists. However, if I shutdown all 3 devices for a few minutes and bring them up fresh, the network connection is flawless. Something is running in memory, and I believe it is related to YT, but I lack the skills to break it down further. I like to run an AI server and it is simply useless if anything on the network has connected to YT since booting.

I've also noticed when family is watching YT premium (not something I use) and I am downloading a LLM from HF, the internet bandwidth of our network more than doubles on my wired connection. In between the streaming packets from YT the speed on the download jumps massively. If family is watching YT, I can actually download a LLM faster. That just seems odd to me that those are connected.

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[–] BrianTheeBiscuiteer@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

TBF I've seen a rare behavior in FF that makes some websites load slowly for no good reason (not an adblock thing). Anticompetitive either way but Google could be exploiting this bug.

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[–] Auzy@beehaw.org 12 points 1 year ago (4 children)

The worst part is that a Youtube Premium Subscription costs more than Netflix or other streaming providers here in Australia.. And you're basically paying for ad removal of a metric ton of low quality content (and their music service, which isn't as good as others I found)

That being said, this might not be true (I've seen lots of BS online regarding browsers in the past)

[–] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

And it doesn't remove promotions by the content creators, so you're still seeing lots of ads. Still, since my kids spend so much time on YouTube I think it's worth reducing the amount of brain washing, but I'm definitely not happy about the pricing. It's ridiculous when you compare it to other streaming services who also have to produce or license their content.

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[–] netchami@sh.itjust.works 11 points 1 year ago

Use Invidious or Piped in combination with LibRedirect in order to automatically redirect all YouTube links to Invidious or Piped.

[–] Anonymouse@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I post videos a few times a year to share events with family. I just posted a few yesterday. I can't in good faith continue to post to YT and encourage my family to use it as the platform declares war on their users.

But what else is there that allows me to post videos for free and my family can just watch them without having to install a new app, register for yet another service or configure some obscure plug in?

[–] sheepishly@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago

There's other services, but they're populated largely by the sort of people Youtube has kicked off entirely, which some people don't like.

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[–] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Decided to test it out myself on Firefox and Edge. Didn't get the delay, but did get ads both times because I don't have adblockers set up over there. The second was unskippable. Ugh.

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