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[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 302 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The ironic thing is, conflating any and all criticism of the state of Israel with anti-semitism could be argued as anti-semitic itself, because to suggest that jewish people in general and the Israeli state/military are one in the same such that criticism of the later is also hateful towards the former, is also to suggest that jewish people as a whole are responsible for the actions of Israel.

As cultural groups as a whole are inherently unable to be guilty of crimes (since even if a large number of people belonging to one commit some crime, such a group will also contain members that cannot be guilty of it, like young children), but states and similar entities, being organized and capable of decision-making, can be, then any attempt to link the moral culpability of a state and that of a cultural group is inherently to apply unfair accusations to that group, and thus hateful to it.

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[–] gerowen@lemmy.world 128 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think a big part of it, here in the US, is besides all the post WW2 sentiment, a lot of folks here in the bible belt literally think they are God's chosen people, and so whatever they do is right by God, no matter how terrible. I recently showed up for jury duty and was speaking to a lady there about her son who had joined the Marine Corps. and thought he might get deployed, and she said, I shit you not, "At least he'll be fighting for God's people".

I've seen antisemitism. I've been in online communities that slowly devolved into rat caricatures and conspiracy theories about how Jews are out to destroy the world. So I know that modern antisemitism persists and is a thing to watch out for. But it's not antisemitic to admit that Zionist Israel is butchering innocent people because they want to claim all of Palestine for themselves, and that the west is too weak willed to do anything about it for fear of being called antisemitic, or going against "God's chosen people". That's not antisemitism, it's an objective, observable fact.

[–] derf82@lemmy.world 46 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The even bigger issue is the Bible Belt is those moron’s reading of Revelation, which has them thinking Israel has to control Jerusalem for the rapture to happen.

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[–] Vytle@lemmy.world 119 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Bro can i just say that i fucking hate that anti-semetic is even an argument used when someone demonstrates support for Hamas? it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic.

[–] SasquatchBanana@lemmy.world 146 points 1 year ago

I think there is a very good argument of antisemitism if you support Hamas. There is no argument for antisemitism if you support Palestinians.

[–] Waluigis_Talking_Buttplug@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Who the fuck supports Hamas? It's an actual terrorist organization that's oppressing people in Palestine

[–] PugJesus@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

You would be surprised. Some people are fucking insane.

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[–] Custodian1623@lemmy.world 41 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Colloquially yeah it makes a lot of sense to say Hamas is antisemitic, the word means hatred for Jews regardless of the etymology of 'semite'. Take it up with marriam-webster, not the people correctly using the modern definition of the word

[–] Bartsbigbugbag@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Hamas Charter, excerpt.
16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

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[–] misophist@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

it doesnt even make sense because by definition both parties are semetic.

Oof, either you're just grossly misinformed and performing a cringey "ackchually", or you're anti-semitic yourself and perpetuating anti-semitic rhetoric.

While yes, both are Semitic people, the term 'anti-semitic' was specifically coined by Nazi Germany to make their genocide seem like it had a basis in science. They specifically used it to refer to Jews. Nobody uses "anti-semitic" to mean all semites except hate groups and holocaust deniers who are trying to say "see, it doesn't even mean Jews specifically! Jews are just playing the victim!"

I will assume you're simply ignorant or misinformed, but feel free to correct me if this was actually an intentional dog-whistle.

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[–] PanArab@lemmy.world 87 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Golda Meir once said "After the Holocaust, Jews are free to do whatever they want".

Since then, Palestinians have been paying for the crimes of Nazi Germany.

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[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 84 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The scary part is they very much may just do that. NSO Group is based outta Israel, it's honestly terrifying. The man has much larger balls than some may realize.

[–] YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Just do what? It sounds like you're saying they'd hurt the journalist but the only context available makes it seem like you could be talking about the onion headline.

Edit: Did a little reading, fuck they're scary.

[–] xantoxis@lemmy.world 53 points 1 year ago (1 children)

IDK about this group in particular but at the moment Israel holds the record for most journalists murdered in wartime.

[–] WaxedWookie@lemmy.world 38 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's 2 reasons for that:

  • They're attacking one of the most densely populated areas in the world

  • They're committing a genocide - when they want to wipe out the entire population, journalists are going to get killed in their indiscriminate attacks.

They're far-right too, so they're a half-step from flat out executing dissenting journalists (and how are journalists in Palestine likely to be aligned?).

[–] ADonkeyBrainedFog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Isreal has a database of all the people living in Gaza as well as their places of residency. Most (if not all) of the prominent Palestinian journalists have been killed in their homes, along with their families, in strikes using smart munitions during the first few days of the "war". It's giving Isreal too much credit to say they weren't specifically targeted.

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[–] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago

NSO is apparently quite formidable in terms of hacking as well, to the point where apple actively sued them: https://www.apple.com/newsroom/2021/11/apple-sues-nso-group-to-curb-the-abuse-of-state-sponsored-spyware/

[–] masterspace@lemmy.ca 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

What're they gonna do? Fail to gather basic intelligence on him before he invades their country? Oooh he's so scared

[–] JustUseMint@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Their mercenary software is no joke. They will own your phone without you noticing, and once they own your phone, they own you. This is like silencing journalists if you're a nation state 101

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DARVO

The battle cry of abusive assholes, worldwide!

[–] dpkonofa@lemmy.world 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago

if anything, it was probably a death threat.

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[–] rockSlayer@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

Astoundingly based

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 26 points 1 year ago (2 children)

wasn't that the account that was posting all sorts of transphobia right before oct 7th and they switched?

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[–] rivermonster@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Why the fuck is anyone for any reason using twitter anymore?

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[–] AMillionNames@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

Israeli neozionist troll factory attempts have never really shied away from the public, with the most notable example being Act.IL, but that doesn't make them harmless. Giving your identity away like this is the same as giving away your identity to Scientologists, expect a serious degree of gaslighting and bullshit to be headed the way of your personal and professional life.

And I do mean serious, because with extremists and radicals getting the reigns of government thanks to Netanyahu, foreign intervention having been normalized to such an excessive degree, and countries letting them get away with it so freely, expect the requirements to get labeled as part of a "problem group" to become significantly easier to achieve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad#Europe

[–] joeyv120@ttrpg.network 13 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

The Israeli government is murdering children and committing war crimes, and they're upset about what The Onion has to say about it.

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